R66 down Colombia
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There is also the possibility of the other person (non pilot) aboard being at the controls... Pretty usual out here when ur flying for private owners.
Does anyone know if both occupants were pilots?
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Does anyone know if both occupants were pilots?
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my uncle Ricardo Cabrera was the pilot, he was teaching the owner (juan pablo gaviria) how to fly.
we haven't recived the report yet. but we belive that juan pablo had control of the aircraft at the moment of the accident. my uncle he was a great pilot.
they were flying 400ft, when they lost the tail, they never hit a tree or anything like that.
we haven't recived the report yet. but we belive that juan pablo had control of the aircraft at the moment of the accident. my uncle he was a great pilot.
they were flying 400ft, when they lost the tail, they never hit a tree or anything like that.
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See this possibly relevant NTSB report:
http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online...s/SIR96-03.pdf
Apparently similar accidents are well documented in the Robbie accident/safety literature. Experienced instructor flying with a low time student. Student makes a large, abrupt cyclic input for some reason, MR flaps down and chops off tail boom faster than instructor can respond. May not be what happened in this case, but apparent similarities to many documented occurrences.
http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online...s/SIR96-03.pdf
Apparently similar accidents are well documented in the Robbie accident/safety literature. Experienced instructor flying with a low time student. Student makes a large, abrupt cyclic input for some reason, MR flaps down and chops off tail boom faster than instructor can respond. May not be what happened in this case, but apparent similarities to many documented occurrences.
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A private owner from Melbourne Australia is probably the first in the world to cook the engine after a dodgey startup. Fresh from his 44 mixture procedure.
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I thought the start was "auto"
BTW, I'm not saying that's what happened in Melbourne. I've only heard about this as a 3rd hand rumour, and had actually heard that it was a problem in a practice autorotation rather than a start. Potential owners keep asking me about the incident, but I have no direct information. Would love to hear from someone who knows what really happened.
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R66 "cooked" motor in Australia
Gents,
This is old news. Not an "incident". I do know what happened but it was relayed to me in confidence - apologies I will not tell.
That said, it was not a 'start up' issue. I have met the owner (and pilot), who is an approachable person. If you are really interested in buying a R66, why don't you contact him and stop speculating.
Arrrj
This is old news. Not an "incident". I do know what happened but it was relayed to me in confidence - apologies I will not tell.
That said, it was not a 'start up' issue. I have met the owner (and pilot), who is an approachable person. If you are really interested in buying a R66, why don't you contact him and stop speculating.
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If you are really interested in buying a R66, why don't you contact him and stop speculating.
I do know what happened but it was relayed to me in confidence - apologies I will not tell.
This is old news.
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OK...fair comment. I wanted to set the record straight, but without breaching confidence.
Practice Autos is your answer.
PS - the owner would be easy to contact, there aren't too many 66's in Victoria !
Practice Autos is your answer.
PS - the owner would be easy to contact, there aren't too many 66's in Victoria !
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Colombian Accident
Juan Pablo actually got more than 100 hours in that R66, he flew that helicopter from the factory in Torrance California to Colombia, all the way down thru Florida, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Martinique, Maurice-Grenada, and Colombia. Both of them experimented pilots and flying in good weather with no press from a client or something like that.
The pictures accident shows a tail boom that goes off in flight from the upper part of the tail rotor guard, and that's why the tail rotor was found almost 400 ft from the cabin.
Robinson is going to say that the EMU showed a low main rotor RPM, maybe they got that but I'm sure that condition happens after they lost the tail rotor in flight.
The pictures accident shows a tail boom that goes off in flight from the upper part of the tail rotor guard, and that's why the tail rotor was found almost 400 ft from the cabin.
Robinson is going to say that the EMU showed a low main rotor RPM, maybe they got that but I'm sure that condition happens after they lost the tail rotor in flight.
