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Old 23rd Jul 2011, 23:51
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There is also the possibility of the other person (non pilot) aboard being at the controls... Pretty usual out here when ur flying for private owners.
Does anyone know if both occupants were pilots?

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Old 12th Sep 2011, 07:08
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my uncle Ricardo Cabrera was the pilot, he was teaching the owner (juan pablo gaviria) how to fly.

we haven't recived the report yet. but we belive that juan pablo had control of the aircraft at the moment of the accident. my uncle he was a great pilot.

they were flying 400ft, when they lost the tail, they never hit a tree or anything like that.
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Old 12th Sep 2011, 12:46
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See this possibly relevant NTSB report:

http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online...s/SIR96-03.pdf

Apparently similar accidents are well documented in the Robbie accident/safety literature. Experienced instructor flying with a low time student. Student makes a large, abrupt cyclic input for some reason, MR flaps down and chops off tail boom faster than instructor can respond. May not be what happened in this case, but apparent similarities to many documented occurrences.

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Old 3rd Oct 2011, 10:57
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A private owner from Melbourne Australia is probably the first in the world to cook the engine after a dodgey startup. Fresh from his 44 mixture procedure.
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Old 3rd Oct 2011, 20:23
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A private owner from Melbourne Australia is probably the first in the world to cook the engine after a dodgey startup. Fresh from his 44 mixture procedure.
I thought the start was "auto" - didn't realise that you could cook it!
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Old 4th Oct 2011, 01:40
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I thought the start was "auto"
The starter latches until 58% N1, but that's all - It's up to the pilot to decide when to put the fuel in, and if you put it in too early then things are going to cook, of course. It's also up to the pilot to cut the fuel off if things aren't going to plan.

BTW, I'm not saying that's what happened in Melbourne. I've only heard about this as a 3rd hand rumour, and had actually heard that it was a problem in a practice autorotation rather than a start. Potential owners keep asking me about the incident, but I have no direct information. Would love to hear from someone who knows what really happened.
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Old 5th Oct 2011, 11:24
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R66 "cooked" motor in Australia

Gents,

This is old news. Not an "incident". I do know what happened but it was relayed to me in confidence - apologies I will not tell.

That said, it was not a 'start up' issue. I have met the owner (and pilot), who is an approachable person. If you are really interested in buying a R66, why don't you contact him and stop speculating.



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Old 5th Oct 2011, 12:27
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If you are really interested in buying a R66, why don't you contact him and stop speculating.
I am not interested in buying an R66 - I am an Instructor who flies one for charter and instructing. I'd much prefer to know what happened so that I can truthfully answer the potential buyers I fly with, who have far more money than I do and ask me this exact question. I do not know the owner of this R66, so won't be contacting them anytime soon.

I do know what happened but it was relayed to me in confidence - apologies I will not tell.
My 2 year old nephew can do "I've got a secret but I'm not going to tell you, nah nah nah". If you won't tell us what happened, why bother telling us that you know ? Don't play silly games.

This is old news.
No-one said it was recent. H68 made a minor incorrect assumption. You can't be shot for that.
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Old 6th Oct 2011, 22:58
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OK...fair comment. I wanted to set the record straight, but without breaching confidence.

Practice Autos is your answer.

PS - the owner would be easy to contact, there aren't too many 66's in Victoria !
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Old 20th Oct 2011, 20:40
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Any news from the investigation?

Did the report come out yet?

I'll be flying one of those in 60 days...
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Old 21st Oct 2011, 01:43
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Red face Colombian Accident

Juan Pablo actually got more than 100 hours in that R66, he flew that helicopter from the factory in Torrance California to Colombia, all the way down thru Florida, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Martinique, Maurice-Grenada, and Colombia. Both of them experimented pilots and flying in good weather with no press from a client or something like that.
The pictures accident shows a tail boom that goes off in flight from the upper part of the tail rotor guard, and that's why the tail rotor was found almost 400 ft from the cabin.
Robinson is going to say that the EMU showed a low main rotor RPM, maybe they got that but I'm sure that condition happens after they lost the tail rotor in flight.
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Old 21st Oct 2011, 20:33
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Confused

I am confused if Juan had 100 hours and had flown it back what was Ricardo doing teaching him how to fly when they had the accident
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 04:44
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Unhappy

Maybe Ricardo was giving more helicopter flight instruction to Juan Pablo
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