Is this an accident waiting to happen?
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Is that the low rotor horn at 3:17 ?!?!!!
Plus just looked at it blown up big screen, manifold pressure is miles over the limit, just unbelievable
Plus just looked at it blown up big screen, manifold pressure is miles over the limit, just unbelievable
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Seeing as we're looking at 'interesting' R44 flights, may I offer this video that I recently came across...
Bearing in mind some of the comments made in a recent thread about weather and captaincy decisions, this particular flight makes me a little nervous. I think the comments of the person that posted the video on YouTube are quite illuminating: "This one was scary! In fact it was so scary that I turned off my camera and was holding the metal bar until it was over..."
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Bearing in mind some of the comments made in a recent thread about weather and captaincy decisions, this particular flight makes me a little nervous. I think the comments of the person that posted the video on YouTube are quite illuminating: "This one was scary! In fact it was so scary that I turned off my camera and was holding the metal bar until it was over..."
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someone should take that bare foot pilot aside and have a word with him, i would have thought flying was exciting enough for most passengers without having to show off like that, as for the lowG low RRPM manifold pressure maxed. thats just as aser said, an accident waiting to happen. . . .
Bearing in mind some of the comments made in a recent thread about weather and captaincy decisions, this particular flight makes me a little nervous. I think the comments of the person that posted the video on YouTube are quite illuminating
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So waht could possibly go wrong, low level over the sea in a single-engined aircraft with no lifejackets or flotation gear, wearing floppy hats, doors off and no shoes, and maxing out the engine? Looks like the perfect health & safety plan!
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NPCP
You missed out RAISING the Collective to the Low R rpm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(thats when the MAP was exceeded)
ps. No Anti Col. light on either.
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So waht could possibly go wrong, low level over the sea in a single-engined aircraft with no lifejackets or flotation gear, wearing floppy hats, doors off and no shoes, and maxing out the engine? Looks like the perfect health & safety plan!
You missed out RAISING the Collective to the Low R rpm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(thats when the MAP was exceeded)
ps. No Anti Col. light on either.
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212,
Quite agree - options appear to steadily decrease as the the flight continues. In particular, the rising ground on either side would make a 180 turn (if you believe in such a thing once in IMC) increasingly risky.
It might be the perspective of the video, or the position it is taken from, but it also appears the AI has not been set/caged - early in the clip despite apparent S+L flight, there is a definite slant in the horizon. Given the impending weather, it could prove quite instrumental (pardon the pun) in determining the outcome...
Simon
Quite agree - options appear to steadily decrease as the the flight continues. In particular, the rising ground on either side would make a 180 turn (if you believe in such a thing once in IMC) increasingly risky.
It might be the perspective of the video, or the position it is taken from, but it also appears the AI has not been set/caged - early in the clip despite apparent S+L flight, there is a definite slant in the horizon. Given the impending weather, it could prove quite instrumental (pardon the pun) in determining the outcome...
Simon
Why is it that people like this rub salt into the wound by not only behaving in a very unprofessional manner, but also by advertising it on YT?
It is almost as if they are desperate for attention in any shape or form no matter what the consequences.
YT must be the downfall of many an illustrious operator, surely..............
What this mode of communication (YT, or its equivalent) )has done more than anything else, is elevate the existence of such crass stupidity, magnifying what appears to be gross negligence in some corners of the GA world. Either way it brings to the front, what goes on out there.
It's akin to: are there more murders now, in this modern world, or is the reporting process of the SAME number of murders, better?
It is almost as if they are desperate for attention in any shape or form no matter what the consequences.
YT must be the downfall of many an illustrious operator, surely..............
What this mode of communication (YT, or its equivalent) )has done more than anything else, is elevate the existence of such crass stupidity, magnifying what appears to be gross negligence in some corners of the GA world. Either way it brings to the front, what goes on out there.
It's akin to: are there more murders now, in this modern world, or is the reporting process of the SAME number of murders, better?
Looks like MP was at about 24/25 when the horn sounds. Maybe the pilot (sic) was gripping the collective too tightly and over-rode the governor? Which might indicate he was not quite as 'cool' as he wanted his pax to think. In other words, he was as scared as them!
I thought the departure and arrival over the heads of folk on the beach was good as well - will give a nice soft landing when the over-pressured engine gives out!
I think a considerably bigger Rosary is required (although that one is a useful indicator during the low-g pushovers).
*shakes head sadly
OH
I think a considerably bigger Rosary is required (although that one is a useful indicator during the low-g pushovers).
*shakes head sadly
OH
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I think it is taken that this is indeed an accident waiting to happen.
So instead of simply listing the faults, would one of you Robinson chaps like to try and get in touch with the operator and express your concerns by perhaps informing them that the swiss cheese holes are lining up rapidly, before we start reading here about crashes and deaths.
It may be best to do it by e-mail so there is a message trail that the families of those killed can use to get compensation !
Thanks
SS
So instead of simply listing the faults, would one of you Robinson chaps like to try and get in touch with the operator and express your concerns by perhaps informing them that the swiss cheese holes are lining up rapidly, before we start reading here about crashes and deaths.
It may be best to do it by e-mail so there is a message trail that the families of those killed can use to get compensation !
Thanks
SS
What?? Accident??? Nah - couldn't happen. Didn't you see the protective necklace thingy with the dangly bit to keep 'em safe??
However, should the unthinkable happen, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch - the Darwin Award awaits.
However, should the unthinkable happen, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch - the Darwin Award awaits.
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I agree that this needs to be brought to someone's attention, but perhaps more than the operator.
It's a little reminiscent of a certain 407 in South Africa-? that performed a few loops and rolls at an airshow.
This too is outside the normal operating envelope and as mentioned, captured many exceedances as well. Although not quite as extreme as full aerobatics, there are innocent, unknowing passengers aboard so the repurcussions could be much more unfortunate.
The 407 footage made its way to Bell and it cost the owner quite a bit of money. I heard around $1mill USD from some folks at Bell.
Perhaps, a Robinson operator on here has a good contact at the factory to send a link, anonymously or not.
It's a little reminiscent of a certain 407 in South Africa-? that performed a few loops and rolls at an airshow.
This too is outside the normal operating envelope and as mentioned, captured many exceedances as well. Although not quite as extreme as full aerobatics, there are innocent, unknowing passengers aboard so the repurcussions could be much more unfortunate.
The 407 footage made its way to Bell and it cost the owner quite a bit of money. I heard around $1mill USD from some folks at Bell.
Perhaps, a Robinson operator on here has a good contact at the factory to send a link, anonymously or not.
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On the bright side, at least when the NTSB/AAIB recover the breakage, there's bound to be an SD card in their somewhere with all the pax video on it.
Senseless..
Senseless..