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How they make a 15 x 5 x 4 foot vehicle more visible in broad daylight is quite beyond me.
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Found it !!
Just looked through my latest GASCO Flight Saftey Mag Spring 2011 and in the safety notices I read the following
High Visibility Clothing Concerns
At a meeting last autumn of the National Council of the Light Aircraft Association, concern was expressed about the propensity of high visibilty tabards and jackets, which are made from synthetic materials, to generate static electricity. For this reason, it is thought unwise to wear one of these garments in a refuelling area. Advice also exists about not wearing clothing made from synthetic materials while flying because of the risk of the material burning fiercely in a conflagration following a crash. There is also a risk of reflective materials causing problems with the reflections from the winsshield when flying at night. There is no UK legal or regulatory requirement to wear these garments although some airfield operators require them as a percieved airside safety measure. Some airfields in France, and possibly elsewhere, restrict the wearing of these garments to functionaries of the airfield and ask pilots to remove theirs.
Can you believe it, I knew I'd read it somewhere.
High Visibility Clothing Concerns
At a meeting last autumn of the National Council of the Light Aircraft Association, concern was expressed about the propensity of high visibilty tabards and jackets, which are made from synthetic materials, to generate static electricity. For this reason, it is thought unwise to wear one of these garments in a refuelling area. Advice also exists about not wearing clothing made from synthetic materials while flying because of the risk of the material burning fiercely in a conflagration following a crash. There is also a risk of reflective materials causing problems with the reflections from the winsshield when flying at night. There is no UK legal or regulatory requirement to wear these garments although some airfield operators require them as a percieved airside safety measure. Some airfields in France, and possibly elsewhere, restrict the wearing of these garments to functionaries of the airfield and ask pilots to remove theirs.
Can you believe it, I knew I'd read it somewhere.
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Has England completely lost the plot?
Would I be fined if I landed my NREG after arriving from Greenland and got out with no hi-vis vest?
Would I be fined if I landed my NREG after arriving from Greenland and got out with no hi-vis vest?
It's not just aviation...almost every industry has its Hi Vis Jacket regulations...
The jackets are now a fashion accessory, with the high street designers sporting them on their runways along with their summer catalogues!
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Seriously though, I must admit, when I went back to UK for the first time in 5 years, I did have to chuckle at a bunch of builders wearing theirs in the pub whilst drinking a pint of bitter!
Yes...UK has lost it...
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It's their airfield - if they post the conditions properly you have to abide by them, including wearing a silly jacket - but the keyword is properly. There are several cases concerning car parks where this has not been done and they haven't had a leg to stand on, so this is where I would look if it escalates.
Check out the magistrates court rules as well - they used to have to do something about it within 3 months. But it's years since I dealt with this sort of stuff, but parabellum makes a good point about insurers who do not live in the real world
"So all in all, is the EEC, is the European Union a good thing for Europe and the UK? Are you better off than you were in the 90s or the 80s, or just more headaches to deal with? Do the collective governments know you and what is best for you, better than you know yourselves?"
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Check out the magistrates court rules as well - they used to have to do something about it within 3 months. But it's years since I dealt with this sort of stuff, but parabellum makes a good point about insurers who do not live in the real world
"So all in all, is the EEC, is the European Union a good thing for Europe and the UK? Are you better off than you were in the 90s or the 80s, or just more headaches to deal with? Do the collective governments know you and what is best for you, better than you know yourselves?"
Non.
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Can't blame the EU for this rubbish, it's an airfield thing. Luckily many sensible airfields have no truck with this pointless jobsworth nonsense. Wycombe Air Park, Denham, Wellesbourne, Sywell to name a few.
Of course Wycombe has its own issues, ATC:"Are you familiar with the helicopter joining procedure for Wycombe Air Park?" Pilot:"Yes", generally followed by a 24 arrival whatever the runway in use.
Of course Wycombe has its own issues, ATC:"Are you familiar with the helicopter joining procedure for Wycombe Air Park?" Pilot:"Yes", generally followed by a 24 arrival whatever the runway in use.
Still wondering how you were spotted!
Maybe a niche here for hi vis pilot shirts, we could make them out of a bright, reflective colour, .... WHITE that would do it. What a great idea, right i'm off to the manufacturer to get some quotes.
Maybe a niche here for hi vis pilot shirts, we could make them out of a bright, reflective colour, .... WHITE that would do it. What a great idea, right i'm off to the manufacturer to get some quotes.
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We had a message left on the office answerphone from a guy in the local council referring to a " road traffic incident" regarding one of our vans (reg no quoted) at a certain time and location.
I called the driver and asked him for details before I called the council, he was unaware of any incident, so I called the number left on the machine.
It turns out that the driver had been spotted by 2 Street Wardens "smoking" behind the wheel of the van and was liable for a £60 spot fine. If he paid up without question it would be reduced to £30.
The driver was in the vehicle alone at the time and was "smoking" a plastic stick that helps smokers to kick the habit.
There was no "alleged" or "innocent until proven guilty". Their attitude was "you have been seen by more than one warden therefore you are guilty".
Subsequent discussions with the local newsagent revealed that the same wardens had followed an old boy into his shop one morning and fined him £50 for dropping litter. Turns out his monogrammed handkerchief had fallen out of his pocket when he had taken his wallet out.
The fine stood.
I thought councils were there to empty your bins, cut your grass and fix the roads !!
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I called the driver and asked him for details before I called the council, he was unaware of any incident, so I called the number left on the machine.
It turns out that the driver had been spotted by 2 Street Wardens "smoking" behind the wheel of the van and was liable for a £60 spot fine. If he paid up without question it would be reduced to £30.
The driver was in the vehicle alone at the time and was "smoking" a plastic stick that helps smokers to kick the habit.
There was no "alleged" or "innocent until proven guilty". Their attitude was "you have been seen by more than one warden therefore you are guilty".
Subsequent discussions with the local newsagent revealed that the same wardens had followed an old boy into his shop one morning and fined him £50 for dropping litter. Turns out his monogrammed handkerchief had fallen out of his pocket when he had taken his wallet out.
The fine stood.
I thought councils were there to empty your bins, cut your grass and fix the roads !!
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Another so-called regulation that makes me laugh is having to use four-way flashers when you drive a vehicle airside.
How they make a 15 x 5 x 4 foot vehicle more visible in broad daylight is quite beyond me.
How they make a 15 x 5 x 4 foot vehicle more visible in broad daylight is quite beyond me.
On the likes of Luton, the one person not used to being airside and all that entails hazards wise ,hence probably creating the greatest potential problem is the Passenger embarking or disembarking the aircraft, I don't see them having to put one on, perhaps having a jobsworth positioned at the terminal and aircraft door with a 4 inch brush and a pot of fluorescent yellow paint to daub a stripe down the said passengers as they embarked / disembarked would suffice....
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Some friends landed their helo and taxied to the hangar apron, where they shut down, got out, wearing bright orange flight suits, and walked into the hangar complex. On arrival in the ops room the telephone rang.
Twr: Could I speak to the Capt of Landed Helo please?
Capt: Yes, speaking.
Twr: You know you should be wearing your Hi-Viz jackets when walking from the aircraft and on the apron?
Capt: Yes, apologies, I understand, but how did you know we were not wearing them?
Twr: Oh, we saw you from the Tower!
Surely the purpose of the Hi-Viz jacket is to be seen? If the Tower could see them over 500m away without jackets, then they are surely visible – no?
Twr: Could I speak to the Capt of Landed Helo please?
Capt: Yes, speaking.
Twr: You know you should be wearing your Hi-Viz jackets when walking from the aircraft and on the apron?
Capt: Yes, apologies, I understand, but how did you know we were not wearing them?
Twr: Oh, we saw you from the Tower!
Surely the purpose of the Hi-Viz jacket is to be seen? If the Tower could see them over 500m away without jackets, then they are surely visible – no?
My problem with them is taking them off and putting them on. This is done under the head (sometimes with rotors turning). My greatest fear is these light weight, synthetic sods blowing away and going through the disk or entering the engine. Another problem is the only place to store them is in the dock pocket. On landing, I open the door to cool down and "wham" bright yellow FOD buzzing around. Surly some reflective tape sewn into uniform flight suits around the wrists and ankles would be better.
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How many times have you visited Caernarvon before? It's almost worth sending the £25 to the CEO of the operating company with a note saying - herewith payment for the fine re hi-vis. I have visited Caernarvon XXX times in the past XXX years and will now no longer do so hence you have lost XXX in landing fees.
Otherwise just ignore it or tell them you were wearing it, just not as the top layer of clothing.
How many times have you visited Caernarvon before? It's almost worth sending the £25 to the CEO of the operating company with a note saying - herewith payment for the fine re hi-vis. I have visited Caernarvon XXX times in the past XXX years and will now no longer do so hence you have lost XXX in landing fees.
Otherwise just ignore it or tell them you were wearing it, just not as the top layer of clothing.
