Cumbria Helicopter crash discussion
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Having done both military and civilian check-rides (and been a military examiner, too), I'd say both can be as equally demanding. Obviously, an LPC isn't going to involve low level navigation, but it may also include instrument competency for the IR renewal part.
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It's pretty obvious as you read his site that he has takes maintenance very seriously -
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212man,
Totally agree, all of the above, however, you sure about the PPL part? 
At the other end of the PPL and privately owned aircraft scale, we have this chap: Aviation
Thorough, meticulous, risk averse and professional! Some interesting trip reports.
Thorough, meticulous, risk averse and professional! Some interesting trip reports.
I think the UK PPL plus some greenshield stamps got him the FAA CPL
My point was more the private ownership thing and how he conducts himself.
My point was more the private ownership thing and how he conducts himself.
Hughes500;
I understand that the 10 Aural questions are only for type rating initial issue. However examiners have to ascertain the candidates knowledge of parameters anyhow.
Several items on the old LPC and new PC were/are not mandatory.
The frustrating thing is on an OPC a training captain can fail someone if their attitude is not right - on a PC you cannot and there is also the regulation 6 process if you do fail someone and there not happy about it.
I understand that the 10 Aural questions are only for type rating initial issue. However examiners have to ascertain the candidates knowledge of parameters anyhow.
Several items on the old LPC and new PC were/are not mandatory.
The frustrating thing is on an OPC a training captain can fail someone if their attitude is not right - on a PC you cannot and there is also the regulation 6 process if you do fail someone and there not happy about it.
The frustrating thing is on an OPC a training captain can fail someone if their attitude is not right - on a PC you cannot and there is also the regulation 6 process if you do fail someone and there not happy about it.
The emergencies as appropriate to type or however it is phrased is the best way in my opinion to be able to legitimately not sign off someone who is a danger, however if they get them right what can you do ?
There are always others who will conduct the test anyway, so if you get a reputation as an examiner who is difficult, the cowboys will go elsewhere.
Veeany
Here here, I failed a new ppl on his skills test as we got lost by 20 miles in the nav section.Tried to do an auto by closing throttle, application of full left pedal while holding the lever up in a 300. Made my eyes water !
Couldn't land in a restricted site the size of 2 rugby pitches.
Height holding +/- 800 ft and tried to land at Gloucester airport on the reciprocal runway.
Led to a huge argument on the debrief ! Discovered another examiner passed him 3 days later with no other continuation training !
Would dearly love to fail people as I know they dont have it but they can fly the check. I now refuse to test those people
Thanks for the other night !
Here here, I failed a new ppl on his skills test as we got lost by 20 miles in the nav section.Tried to do an auto by closing throttle, application of full left pedal while holding the lever up in a 300. Made my eyes water !
Couldn't land in a restricted site the size of 2 rugby pitches.
Height holding +/- 800 ft and tried to land at Gloucester airport on the reciprocal runway.
Led to a huge argument on the debrief ! Discovered another examiner passed him 3 days later with no other continuation training !
Would dearly love to fail people as I know they dont have it but they can fly the check. I now refuse to test those people
Thanks for the other night !
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I can't help but think that the whole choosing your own examiner thing is a little bit suspect, I would happily have any examiner come along to examine my students and make a point of using external examiners rather than saying to potential new students "I will be doing the majority of your training and my colleague will be doing your final flight test".
I see EASA have introduced the clause about having economical interest etc in examining, but like most things who will enforce this?!
Surely its not difficult to have a pool of local examiners and you approach the CAA to get assigned an examiner?
Not wishing to drift the thread...........
I see EASA have introduced the clause about having economical interest etc in examining, but like most things who will enforce this?!
Surely its not difficult to have a pool of local examiners and you approach the CAA to get assigned an examiner?
Not wishing to drift the thread...........
powerlimited
In an ideal world yes but and here is the big but. The CAA wanted regional examiners, in the case of the SW I had 4 people give up as examiners were not allowed to examine more than 3 consecutive times. These customers were all in deepest Cornwall nerest examiner other than myself an 8 hour return drive providing it wasnt summer time on the A30. Combine this with weather ac availability examiner availability they all went and got US licences.
Yes it can be difficult to be independent but one hs to keep in the back of ones mind ones responsibility to the examinees pax and family
In an ideal world yes but and here is the big but. The CAA wanted regional examiners, in the case of the SW I had 4 people give up as examiners were not allowed to examine more than 3 consecutive times. These customers were all in deepest Cornwall nerest examiner other than myself an 8 hour return drive providing it wasnt summer time on the A30. Combine this with weather ac availability examiner availability they all went and got US licences.
Yes it can be difficult to be independent but one hs to keep in the back of ones mind ones responsibility to the examinees pax and family
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Hughes500.
Yes I completely understand......and as with most things with the CAA there is a big but, unfortunately they spend too much time sat on it in that restaurant at Aviation House rather than getting on with getting out there and seeing whats going on under their noses.
Yes I completely understand......and as with most things with the CAA there is a big but, unfortunately they spend too much time sat on it in that restaurant at Aviation House rather than getting on with getting out there and seeing whats going on under their noses.
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Yes I completely understand......and as with most things with the CAA there is a big but, unfortunately they spend too much time sat on it in that restaurant at Aviation House rather than getting on with getting out there and seeing whats going on under their noses.
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I wonder why you felt you had to add 'highly paid' in that reply 
Without that comment, you would have sounded as if you knew what they actually got up to, or not as your case may be, instead of just sounding bitter ;-)
Without that comment, you would have sounded as if you knew what they actually got up to, or not as your case may be, instead of just sounding bitter ;-)
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Sid.
I don't do BS, I have spent a fair bit of time in the restaurant myself and seen the work ethic.
Well in my opinion they are highly paid, £65k+ is highly paid in my book, compared to the rest of the industry who have to rewrite manuals, explain to customers new regulations, pay the fees to the CAA etc.
I'm not bitter, I can always find another industry to make a living in, but I just feel the CAA has gone too corporate and is loosing a little credibility.
I don't do BS, I have spent a fair bit of time in the restaurant myself and seen the work ethic.
Well in my opinion they are highly paid, £65k+ is highly paid in my book, compared to the rest of the industry who have to rewrite manuals, explain to customers new regulations, pay the fees to the CAA etc.
I'm not bitter, I can always find another industry to make a living in, but I just feel the CAA has gone too corporate and is loosing a little credibility.
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I'm just wondering what they will say about me when I inevitably snuff myself out in my helicopter, on my motorbike, in my car or by tripping over a tree branch. Did he have the correct license, was it issued by the appropriate authority, did he maintain his motorbike to the accepted standards or perhaps, on that occasion he just ****** up?
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I'm just wondering what they will say about me when I inevitably snuff myself out in my helicopter, on my motorbike, in my car or by tripping over a tree branch. Did he have the correct license, was it issued by the appropriate authority, did he maintain his motorbike to the accepted standards or perhaps, on that occasion he just ****** up?
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http://www.slow-life.co.uk/mark-weir...n-their-hands/
http://www.slow-life.co.uk/mark-weir...n-their-hands/
No one is suggesting it was anything other than an accident.
