The future of UK SAR, post SAR-H
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I know it's a rumour network, but........
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" I believe the SARF are describing it as a 'managed path' to their guys. Ever so slightly arrogant don't you think?!"
Quite the opposite actually. SARF HQ's latest missive on the subject makes it emphatically clear that it will not be a quote managed path unquote.
You really should be careful what you write here if you don't have access to the full facts, lest others might start to accept hearsay as fact.
" I believe the SARF are describing it as a 'managed path' to their guys. Ever so slightly arrogant don't you think?!"
Quite the opposite actually. SARF HQ's latest missive on the subject makes it emphatically clear that it will not be a quote managed path unquote.
You really should be careful what you write here if you don't have access to the full facts, lest others might start to accept hearsay as fact.
If we had the facts it would kind of spoil the fun of this being a 'Rumour Network!
On another note, I can't help noticing repeated references to 'join the queue' ..... Wouldn't it be better to select people for future civvie SAR positions based on relevant experience and qualifications rather than how long you've been in the queue? Or have I missed the point again.......
On another note, I can't help noticing repeated references to 'join the queue' ..... Wouldn't it be better to select people for future civvie SAR positions based on relevant experience and qualifications rather than how long you've been in the queue? Or have I missed the point again.......
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Or have I missed the point again.......
How can you trust someone who has spent the past 3 - 4 years bashing you and your colleagues?
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'On another note, I can't help noticing repeated references to 'join the queue' ..... Wouldn't it be better to select people for future civvie SAR positions based on relevant experience and qualifications rather than how long you've been in the queue? Or have I missed the point again.......'
Agreed. There are a pool of highly-qualified and skilled people out there - civvie and ex-military. More capable than some would have you believe. When was the last time Crab or one of his SAR Gods directed a radar letdown for example?
The issue is that there is a fair amount of military flak going up; perhaps in an effort to circumvent the licensing process that others have had to toil through....
Agreed. There are a pool of highly-qualified and skilled people out there - civvie and ex-military. More capable than some would have you believe. When was the last time Crab or one of his SAR Gods directed a radar letdown for example?
The issue is that there is a fair amount of military flak going up; perhaps in an effort to circumvent the licensing process that others have had to toil through....
We direct radar let downs all the time but I think you mean conduct a radar letdown as a co-pilot using a weather radar not actually designed for the purpose and not cleared for IMC use below 1000'.
When was the last time those people in the queue conducted NVG mountains as that gets done a whole lot more than radar letdowns?
CRM is about telling the truth and not ignoring the elephant in the room - if you thkink you can judge anyone's CRM skills based on an internet forum I think you need more training
When was the last time those people in the queue conducted NVG mountains as that gets done a whole lot more than radar letdowns?
CRM is about telling the truth and not ignoring the elephant in the room - if you thkink you can judge anyone's CRM skills based on an internet forum I think you need more training
... conducted NVG mountains as that gets done a whole lot more than radar letdowns? ...
True but the MCA are hardly going to write negative reports on jobs they can't do and capability they don't have.
And only 2 of the MCA flights are likely to get involved in night mountains anyway.
As for licensing - do you actually need a licence for a State function like SAR?
And only 2 of the MCA flights are likely to get involved in night mountains anyway.
As for licensing - do you actually need a licence for a State function like SAR?
... As for licensing - do you actually need a licence for a State function like SAR?
What would be good is if we could buy the kit, train the people and get on with the job. However, because we are British then no matter how good the poor sods on the front-line are, we need 7000 bureaucrats behind them working for years to discover new ways of obstructing their talents.
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We direct radar let downs all the time but I think you mean conduct a radar letdown as a co-pilot using a weather radar not actually designed for the purpose and not cleared for IMC use below 1000'.
Yes there is better kit out there and has been for many years - the present military SAR has that capability and it will be lost come SARH.
'Pretty good' at mapping the coast just isn't good enough and, having seen the radar in action on the 139 and its limited field of view, you are poorly placed to manoeuvre with any sort of realistic clearances.
The weather radar may be adequate for a straight line let down in uncongested waters to a big target but for anything more complex it is simply unsafe.
You don't say how big a boat you would let down to 0.25 nm but I suspect it is not a small fishing vessel or lifeboat.
Will your weather radar pick up a windfarm survey anemometer mast? They are all over the place.
When it is your life on the line would you rather have the radar that can see dolphins and water breaking over sandbars (so it will definitely see anything nasty you might bump into) - or would you rather have a limited arc radar only designed to see bad weather?
that is exactly the kind of remark that allows bean counters to reduce capability that might actually save lives. I, like lots of others, have had to get closer than 0.25nm both to vessels and the coast on jobs and we would not have been able to complete the mission if all we had was a crappy weather radar.
'Pretty good' at mapping the coast just isn't good enough and, having seen the radar in action on the 139 and its limited field of view, you are poorly placed to manoeuvre with any sort of realistic clearances.
The weather radar may be adequate for a straight line let down in uncongested waters to a big target but for anything more complex it is simply unsafe.
You don't say how big a boat you would let down to 0.25 nm but I suspect it is not a small fishing vessel or lifeboat.
Will your weather radar pick up a windfarm survey anemometer mast? They are all over the place.
When it is your life on the line would you rather have the radar that can see dolphins and water breaking over sandbars (so it will definitely see anything nasty you might bump into) - or would you rather have a limited arc radar only designed to see bad weather?
If you need to get closer, you probably shouldn't be there.
Will your weather radar pick up a windfarm survey anemometer mast? They are all over the place.
Detgnome - maybe you need RAF Radops rather than RN observers using the radar then because ours see them all the time
Norma - 75m minimum radar range on the mighty Sea King
I would still like to see who has approved a weather radar for IMC operations over water below 1000' - it is very different using it as an additional aid for a procedural rig letdown to using it as a stand-alone item for manoeuvering at low level below safety alt.
If it is part of the SAR AOC, who has sanctioned the use of the radar in this way and who has done the trials on its resolution and detection capability?
Norma - 75m minimum radar range on the mighty Sea King
I would still like to see who has approved a weather radar for IMC operations over water below 1000' - it is very different using it as an additional aid for a procedural rig letdown to using it as a stand-alone item for manoeuvering at low level below safety alt.
If it is part of the SAR AOC, who has sanctioned the use of the radar in this way and who has done the trials on its resolution and detection capability?
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Honeywell Primus P701A can pick up a marker buoy on a normal day, flock of birds on the surface on a calm day in Ground Map 1 and Ground Map 2 modes. When position verified and radar used for letdown the aircraft may be flown to system minima (GMAP1: 0.07nm, GMAP2: 0.12nm) and SAR AFCS minima as promulgated in relevant Company SAR Operations Manuals approved by the UK CAA.
Detgnome - maybe you need RAF Radops rather than RN observers using the radar then because ours see them all the time
its nice seeing a radar return of a airborne TCAS contact