R44 crashed - 4 heavily injured
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R44 crashed - 4 heavily injured
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Altenbeken (stock). DSDS star Anna Maria Carpenter (21) made of guessing mountain (circle Gütersloh) was injured yesterday against 17.30 o'clock with a helicopter crash in Altenbeken (circle Paderborn) lethal.
The helicopter was in the approach on the area of the region Disco” cow intoxication “. The machine touched treetops, fell and bored themselves into a dirt road. On board the charter plane of the Tpy R 4,4 Ravell II were except Carpenter its manager Alexander Frömelt, Dominik mud of the organizer of the” Ballermann Award 2010 “and the pilot.
All four passengers were brought according to fire-brigade with lethal injuries into hospitals. After the misfortune the award of the” Ballermann Award “was called off in the Disco” cow intoxication “.
from Übersetzung für http://www.westfalen-blatt.de/start.php?id=43123&artikel=reg
Orinal: Zeitung Westfalen-Blatt : Startseite
Altenbeken (stock). DSDS star Anna Maria Carpenter (21) made of guessing mountain (circle Gütersloh) was injured yesterday against 17.30 o'clock with a helicopter crash in Altenbeken (circle Paderborn) lethal.
The helicopter was in the approach on the area of the region Disco” cow intoxication “. The machine touched treetops, fell and bored themselves into a dirt road. On board the charter plane of the Tpy R 4,4 Ravell II were except Carpenter its manager Alexander Frömelt, Dominik mud of the organizer of the” Ballermann Award 2010 “and the pilot.
All four passengers were brought according to fire-brigade with lethal injuries into hospitals. After the misfortune the award of the” Ballermann Award “was called off in the Disco” cow intoxication “.
What a lot of nonsense
This translation is complete and utter nonsense.
The facts according to the German paper are, that a R44 crashed;
1 pax with life-threatening injuries
3 pax seriously injured.
Why on earth the German names have also been translated into English seems to be a problem of the translation program used.
Very sad accident; but shows the limitations of translation programs and their
"willy-nilly" use.
The facts according to the German paper are, that a R44 crashed;
1 pax with life-threatening injuries
3 pax seriously injured.
Why on earth the German names have also been translated into English seems to be a problem of the translation program used.
Very sad accident; but shows the limitations of translation programs and their
"willy-nilly" use.
Yes the signwriting "R44" is a clue. So is the fact that there are only 2 seats in the rear cabin.
Oh and then there's the fact that the R66 was only due to get FAA certification on Oct 22.
Oh and then there's the fact that the R66 was only due to get FAA certification on Oct 22.
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1 pilot, 3 passengers
One of the passengers, 6th place winner of Germany's "American Idol" show (DSDS=Deutchland Sucht den Superstar) suffer life threatening injuries. She was to perform at a local discothek and was flying there with her manager and sound technition. The pilot managed to crawl out of the damaged heli on his own.
That's the news from this morning's paper and TV news. I'm at work so I can't pass on any links.
Such translations like the one above should NEVER be used for such news!
One of the passengers, 6th place winner of Germany's "American Idol" show (DSDS=Deutchland Sucht den Superstar) suffer life threatening injuries. She was to perform at a local discothek and was flying there with her manager and sound technition. The pilot managed to crawl out of the damaged heli on his own.
That's the news from this morning's paper and TV news. I'm at work so I can't pass on any links.
Such translations like the one above should NEVER be used for such news!
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OMG
Well hope, that EASA (witch is in fact German company for employment of thousands byrocrats) will not use this case and will not prohibit landing of helis in private sites or off airport.
Was this landing legal? I have heard that there are strict conditions how to land off airport in Germany?
Was this landing legal? I have heard that there are strict conditions how to land off airport in Germany?
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Sorry for using the translation program 
When I read about the accident I started to open the thread.
Then, suddenly my girlfriend started to attract my attention...
I had the urgent need of shuting down the computer almost instantly - so i had no time for a proper translation and just used babalefish, without checking.
Sorry for that - next time I´ll cancel the thread and won´t start one, until I have some undisturbed time
Greetings Flying Bull
P.S. From the video - so much space for an safe approach...
When I read about the accident I started to open the thread.
Then, suddenly my girlfriend started to attract my attention...
I had the urgent need of shuting down the computer almost instantly - so i had no time for a proper translation and just used babalefish, without checking.
Sorry for that - next time I´ll cancel the thread and won´t start one, until I have some undisturbed time
Greetings Flying Bull
P.S. From the video - so much space for an safe approach...
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Looks like VRS, no? Probably runs out of right pedal in attempt to pull more power, which makes it gently spin left before impact.
It looks to me like the tail rotor (or rather tail boom) strike is only incidental and secondary to the main cause (VRS).
I do hope they all pull through and survive.
It looks to me like the tail rotor (or rather tail boom) strike is only incidental and secondary to the main cause (VRS).
I do hope they all pull through and survive.
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Looks like their was little or no fuel spill.
R44s are now fitted with a fuel bladder it will be interesting to keep a record of fuel cell effectiveness in this type of crash and compare stats with accidents where aircraft were destroyed by fire after similar landing phase survivable impacts.
As to cause of injuries in this case, a F1 type lightweigth carbon fiber passenger cell that could frag away from gearbox and engine in a prang has my vote for light helicopters.
Still working on a way to deflect blades from the cabin
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R44s are now fitted with a fuel bladder it will be interesting to keep a record of fuel cell effectiveness in this type of crash and compare stats with accidents where aircraft were destroyed by fire after similar landing phase survivable impacts.
As to cause of injuries in this case, a F1 type lightweigth carbon fiber passenger cell that could frag away from gearbox and engine in a prang has my vote for light helicopters.
Still working on a way to deflect blades from the cabin
Mickjoebill
They took off in Oerlinghausen, just 14 nm NW of the crash site Altenbeken and that day was pretty windy with sometimes severe gusts from southwesterly directions.
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One more serious accident on an obvious commercial flight, but flown by an inexperienced private pilot in Germany.
That's the new business. The starlet got some offers for the flight, but choosed the private cause he was the cheapest. No pity. Thats the world we live. While the AOC holders struggling with the CAA slings around their necks, the privates get the flights under silence by the CAA.
Yep, we need more of such accidents to have a change. Go forward!
That's the new business. The starlet got some offers for the flight, but choosed the private cause he was the cheapest. No pity. Thats the world we live. While the AOC holders struggling with the CAA slings around their necks, the privates get the flights under silence by the CAA.
Yep, we need more of such accidents to have a change. Go forward!
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Regardless of the information floating around that the PIC was actually PPL, it's about the TONS OF SPACE that wasn't used and according to 'handy' crash video, proper off-airport technique wasn't exactly applied. The picture here, also shows plenty area. The wind direction could have been considered accordingly.
Video shows approach roughly from the side of space (and bit from the other side) in the background on the picture, considering the person taking the vid was on the other side of wreckage. No reasonable off-airport procedure suitable for this site in my quite limited knowledge. Hovering OGE, that height, that space, 4 persons in R44.. No need for vertical in and out.
Sad people got badly hurt in this one (I blame it partially on R44 crashworthiness). I bet the pilot now considers new career path, since he'd be fairly infamous among the schools/operators and the insurance stuff will kick in.
Video shows approach roughly from the side of space (and bit from the other side) in the background on the picture, considering the person taking the vid was on the other side of wreckage. No reasonable off-airport procedure suitable for this site in my quite limited knowledge. Hovering OGE, that height, that space, 4 persons in R44..
No need for vertical in and out.Sad people got badly hurt in this one (I blame it partially on R44 crashworthiness). I bet the pilot now considers new career path, since he'd be fairly infamous among the schools/operators and the insurance stuff will kick in.
No sweet, in his real life he runs a greater non-aviation company. Better he goes back to private flying than offering flights.
Bet that will be an interesting insurance file. Starlets are expensive.
Bet that will be an interesting insurance file. Starlets are expensive.
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One more serious accident on an obvious commercial flight, but flown by an inexperienced private pilot in Germany.
That's the new business. The starlet got some offers for the flight, but choosed the private cause he was the cheapest. No pity. Thats the world we live. While the AOC holders struggling with the CAA slings around their necks, the privates get the flights under silence by the CAA.
That's the new business. The starlet got some offers for the flight, but choosed the private cause he was the cheapest. No pity. Thats the world we live. While the AOC holders struggling with the CAA slings around their necks, the privates get the flights under silence by the CAA.
Dam bureaucrats’ that do not know **** about aviation and aviation safety.
However, this crash looks like typical settling with power
However, this crash looks like typical settling with power
They are different...one is aerodynamic as in VRS...the other, which I believe is the case here, is where he had too much rate of descent and not enough altitude above the ground and power to arrest it. In the video he clearly did not arrest the rate of descent prior to coming to the hover and descending below the point of no return....classic bad off airport approach.
His approach is completely baffling, any PPL pilot is trained in the dangers of VRS and how to execute a confined landing.
If there was a strong wind as Skadi suggests then perhaps he was on final from over the trees so that he was facing into wind, that's if he checked the wind direction at his destination. Even still he slowed right down for some reason, doesn't make any sense to me...
Has anyone heard his statement?
If there was a strong wind as Skadi suggests then perhaps he was on final from over the trees so that he was facing into wind, that's if he checked the wind direction at his destination. Even still he slowed right down for some reason, doesn't make any sense to me...
Has anyone heard his statement?
So why he didnt made a longer circle for a better landing? From my view this was a kamikaze approach.
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