R66 Turbine - Could It Be Better?
since you guys started posting pictures of ugly helicopters this one has to be there: Sikorsky/Westland Dragonfly
It makes the R44 and 66 look rather nice actually.
It makes the R44 and 66 look rather nice actually.
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RotorRooks- Pls post your image again coz it ain't showing!
The reason I believe the Brantly driver has low time is because I just don't see someone with considerably more experience taking those unnecessary risks. To me it appears more like luck and bravado than skill - I was actually waiting (but glad it didn't happen) to see the thing roll into a ball.
No professional driver I know would plant one skid with that force on an imbalanced plane. Just a little harder and he could well have lost control. The whole episode smacked of low experience. I could be wrong, I mean I've only trained ... hmmm let's see now .... around 68 students in my time!
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Classic comment dude!
The reason I believe the Brantly driver has low time is because I just don't see someone with considerably more experience taking those unnecessary risks. To me it appears more like luck and bravado than skill - I was actually waiting (but glad it didn't happen) to see the thing roll into a ball.
No professional driver I know would plant one skid with that force on an imbalanced plane. Just a little harder and he could well have lost control. The whole episode smacked of low experience. I could be wrong, I mean I've only trained ... hmmm let's see now .... around 68 students in my time!
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Fancy letting someone film you in a brantly!!
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Not totally sure of the point you're making with this vid jim63 (other than the helo being a Brantly).
Just happens to be one of the most pointless (and unnecessarily risky) pieces of flying I've had the misfortune to watch!
Looks like the efforts of someone with about 70 hrs experience who's had a labotomy in the area that governs better judgement!
Just happens to be one of the most pointless (and unnecessarily risky) pieces of flying I've had the misfortune to watch!
Looks like the efforts of someone with about 70 hrs experience who's had a labotomy in the area that governs better judgement!
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It is depressing to see who they let loose behind the controls these days. I had a 23 year old in the 80's who I didn't qualify until he reached 95 hrs. Why? He was just a slow learner I suppose, quite safe once he grasped the basics but just took longer than most to do it.
He didn't have an endless supply of funds and completing the additional hours was hard for him but ... when we reached the point where most would be ready for their GFT .. he just wasn't.
Thankfully, rather than running off to find someone who would test (and pass) him he took my advice.
The last I heard of him he had clocked up over 1,500 hrs incident free.
Don't let them go if they're not ready!
He didn't have an endless supply of funds and completing the additional hours was hard for him but ... when we reached the point where most would be ready for their GFT .. he just wasn't.
Thankfully, rather than running off to find someone who would test (and pass) him he took my advice.
The last I heard of him he had clocked up over 1,500 hrs incident free.
Don't let them go if they're not ready!
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I've heard of thread drift: but I was sure this is about the R66 shortcomings?
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I've heard of thread drift: but I was sure this is about the R66 shortcomings?
In case stix is having a go at me again (see post #14), for the record I have not flown the R66, but I'll start with this one : the T-cyclic.
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Sorry SP! 
You know how us desk pilots can get so easily carried away!
Going back to YBBs original question: The R66, Could It Be Better?
... I think the answer has to be yes - considerably - but its done now.
We'll just have to see what comes out of the Robinson stable in the future.
You know how us desk pilots can get so easily carried away!Going back to YBBs original question: The R66, Could It Be Better?
... I think the answer has to be yes - considerably - but its done now.
We'll just have to see what comes out of the Robinson stable in the future.
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Have you guys considered what the cost running the R66 is compared to the Jetbox, EC120 and H500 - I mean, hands down in favour for the Robby ..
In my calculations, it sits right in the middle of the R44 and the EC120/B206 market running costwise ..
And usefull load with full fuel is similary to, lets say the EC120. And if the tailrotor authority is anything near the R44, hands down again over the EC120/B206 and especially the Longranger ..
OnboardSystems just need to make a sling hook for it and you got your replacement for your old precious Jetbox and Hughes ..
Or am I wrong ??
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In my calculations, it sits right in the middle of the R44 and the EC120/B206 market running costwise ..
And usefull load with full fuel is similary to, lets say the EC120. And if the tailrotor authority is anything near the R44, hands down again over the EC120/B206 and especially the Longranger ..
OnboardSystems just need to make a sling hook for it and you got your replacement for your old precious Jetbox and Hughes ..
Or am I wrong ??
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Hot off the Press
New Robinson type is rumored to be under development in back corner of Franks LA factory.
The R11 is due to hit the shelves by August 2011.
RC model owners and operators are said to be very excited.
The R11 is due to hit the shelves by August 2011.
RC model owners and operators are said to be very excited.
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Could the R66 be better. heck yes. ok the 44 is and i guess the 66 will be quicker than a JR, but the 500 and 120 are faster, and there has been room for all of them.
Costs will be more than a 44, yes, less than a 120 or 500, no probs, may be as cheap as a JR, will have to wait and see. will be difficult to ever compare a new 66 against a new JR doing same ops, over a 20 or 30 yr life tho..
I would love to see a 66 after over 30 yrs of Ag/utility work like our JR has done, and to see the costs at that point. how many 2000hr o/hs will it have been through$$$$$$$$$. remember that engine will have been back in the shop how many times. also it will have to have done more hours than the others, as it may have nearly the same lift as a 120, but no way it will match a 500 or JR, on production work.
I saw somewhere only about 1000lbs between max AUW and empty means that you have no where near the capacity of 500 or JR, which have 1500lbs or more avail. Also the 66 has a 300?hp engine, limited to 220 ish, thats a 44's power, and wouldn't like to have one of those with 5 onboard chomping 100ltrs/hr...while the others have up to 400 or more hp from their engines. can't use it all at sea level but once you get up a bit it can help. 66 may be a bit lighter tho, can't remember, so less horses may not be the straight equation.
Why didn't they throw the RR500 in it, that would have given it some real grunt. maybe that will be the R66II, or the R88.
Doesn't matter tho. heaps of robby guys out there, and some of them will take them on and then try to make money with them. no wire strike kit will take some clients out of the equation... For the price of a 66 i could put two very nice JR's in the air, and then return twice the $$$$/hr. same goes for a new 120, or 500 tho, and that hasn't stopped people buying them, so will be interesting to see what happens.
Don't bring the Long Ranger into it, twice the machine the 66 will ever be.
Costs will be more than a 44, yes, less than a 120 or 500, no probs, may be as cheap as a JR, will have to wait and see. will be difficult to ever compare a new 66 against a new JR doing same ops, over a 20 or 30 yr life tho..
I would love to see a 66 after over 30 yrs of Ag/utility work like our JR has done, and to see the costs at that point. how many 2000hr o/hs will it have been through$$$$$$$$$. remember that engine will have been back in the shop how many times.
also it will have to have done more hours than the others, as it may have nearly the same lift as a 120, but no way it will match a 500 or JR, on production work.I saw somewhere only about 1000lbs between max AUW and empty means that you have no where near the capacity of 500 or JR, which have 1500lbs or more avail. Also the 66 has a 300?hp engine, limited to 220 ish, thats a 44's power, and wouldn't like to have one of those with 5 onboard chomping 100ltrs/hr...while the others have up to 400 or more hp from their engines. can't use it all at sea level but once you get up a bit it can help. 66 may be a bit lighter tho, can't remember
, so less horses may not be the straight equation.Why didn't they throw the RR500 in it, that would have given it some real grunt. maybe that will be the R66II, or the R88.
Doesn't matter tho. heaps of robby guys out there, and some of them will take them on and then try to make money with them. no wire strike kit will take some clients out of the equation... For the price of a 66 i could put two very nice JR's in the air, and then return twice the $$$$/hr. same goes for a new 120, or 500 tho, and that hasn't stopped people buying them, so will be interesting to see what happens.
Don't bring the Long Ranger into it, twice the machine the 66 will ever be.
