New US Presidential Helicopter requirement
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DM - the US Govt protecting its homegrown helicopter industry by choosing the S92 is only the same as the British Govt protecting AW jobs with the Wildcat and the SAR 189 - get over it.
Just earlier this month the German FMD contracted for 15 EC645 T2 helicopters for their Special Forces without even hint of a competition. A done deal from day one for sure.
Stones and glass houses comes to mind.
Stones and glass houses comes to mind.
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The Canadians picked up the EH-101's now the US will pickup the undelivered Cyclones since it appears they will never enter Canadian service.
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Mmmhh EC-645s, comparable to the Lakotas (except with a fenestron and full FADEC IIRC).... or an overweight unnamed Bell product?
Military transport helicopters, military helicopter, helicopter EC 645 - Eurocopter, an EADS company
On the same theme AW-189 or (__________) please fill the blank with non-existent comparable US product?
BTW, the UK SAR contract was awarded to a civilian company (American company incidentally) that proposed a mixed contract with (mostly) American built Sikorsky S-92s, well known (or should I say notorious) for their XMSN "run dry" properties and lighter medium/heavy twins.
Mmmhhhhh...
Military transport helicopters, military helicopter, helicopter EC 645 - Eurocopter, an EADS company
On the same theme AW-189 or (__________) please fill the blank with non-existent comparable US product?
BTW, the UK SAR contract was awarded to a civilian company (American company incidentally) that proposed a mixed contract with (mostly) American built Sikorsky S-92s, well known (or should I say notorious) for their XMSN "run dry" properties and lighter medium/heavy twins.
Mmmhhhhh...
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Mmmhh EC-645s, comparable to the Lakotas (except with a fenestron and full FADEC IIRC).... or an overweight unnamed Bell product?
It may weigh more, however IT WAS CERTIFIED to 8000+ lbs so it retains well over 2000 lbs payload wit full fuel, without the need to rearrange the certification specifications of a certain country.
I just realized that we are dragging this thread into a politico-nationalistic one and it detracts from the original intent of it.
I just realized that we are dragging this thread into a politico-nationalistic one and it detracts from the original intent of it.
tottigol – If you read the OJEU LOT2 MINCAP on the DfT website, it was clear the AW139 could not meet the required tasking spec, but had BHL not included the AW189 in their bid, they - nor any other bidder with the same omission of Britishness – were unlikely to win....Simples!
Politics in state acquisitions, surely not.
Politics in state acquisitions, surely not.
It seems it was a bit of a deal with EC regarding the reduction of NH90 and Tigres. Yet from all we know the latter wasn't exactly the deal of the year for the .gov/.mil anyway.
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SSG, it's not necessary for an OP to post continuing comment. I originated the thread because I was interested in peoples comments, not because I had a personal view.
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Coincidentally, AgustaWestland received the final settlement from the U.S. Government related to the 2009 VH-71 termination shortly before the summer, this payout contributing to an increase in the company's 2Q earnings.
The details of the settlement were not revealed.
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The details of the settlement were not revealed.
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The gift that keeps on giving
So even though, as previously posted, AW received its last payment from the 2009 VH-71A program cancellation during 2Q 2013, the FY-14 Omnibus Appropriations bill includes yet another $81M for 'VH-71A Executive Helicopter Development.'
Are we still paying LockMart for the cancellation? Post-termination related expenses previously funded included "the physical inventory of contractor acquired property; proposal preparation; security; disposition of contract inventory; subcontractor settlement costs; and termination management activities," though the inventory related expenses surely went away when Canada bought the airframes to boost the CH-149's MC rate?
We're surely not retaining the VH-71A designation for the follow-on program?
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Are we still paying LockMart for the cancellation? Post-termination related expenses previously funded included "the physical inventory of contractor acquired property; proposal preparation; security; disposition of contract inventory; subcontractor settlement costs; and termination management activities," though the inventory related expenses surely went away when Canada bought the airframes to boost the CH-149's MC rate?
We're surely not retaining the VH-71A designation for the follow-on program?
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Thanks to Inside the Pentagon, we now have the answer: $2.3 Bn
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The settlement, finalized on Dec. 19, brings the total amount paid to Lockheed Martin to $2.2 Bn, including $2.1 Bn in net costs, $38.5 M in award fees for completed work and $51.6 M to settle the contract termination, according to Billy Ray Brown, a spokesman for the Defense Contract Management Agency.
"There were 425 disbursements made totaling $2,322,013,456.86 during the life of the [VH-71] contract," according to Brown. "There will be no further disbursements."
The VH-71 program generated an inventory of approximately 36,000 items valued at $600 M, according to Brown. Among the items were nine aircraft, eight of which were owned by the government. In March 2011, these rotorcraft were sold to Canada, along with spare parts, for $114 M, to be used in support of Canada's AgustaWestland CH-149 Cormorant search and rescue helicopters. An industry official said the former U.S. aircraft were likely to be cannibalized for parts.
"There were 425 disbursements made totaling $2,322,013,456.86 during the life of the [VH-71] contract," according to Brown. "There will be no further disbursements."
The VH-71 program generated an inventory of approximately 36,000 items valued at $600 M, according to Brown. Among the items were nine aircraft, eight of which were owned by the government. In March 2011, these rotorcraft were sold to Canada, along with spare parts, for $114 M, to be used in support of Canada's AgustaWestland CH-149 Cormorant search and rescue helicopters. An industry official said the former U.S. aircraft were likely to be cannibalized for parts.
Remember this National Geographic docu on HMX-1, a few years back?
check out whats on the coffee table in the CO's office
at 04:10
Whats currently the state of play for the budget at mo for the project?
If anything appears, it be more than likely the VH-92 and maybe the CH-53K for HMX-1 support replacing the Echo in the Green Tops, I imagine.
Actually come to think of it will VXX also replace the VH-60N 'White Hawks' as well? The reason why I ask is, I thought donkeys ago, when the spec came out, it cited not only the VH-3D but the VH-60N as well???
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check out whats on the coffee table in the CO's office
at 04:10Whats currently the state of play for the budget at mo for the project?
If anything appears, it be more than likely the VH-92 and maybe the CH-53K for HMX-1 support replacing the Echo in the Green Tops, I imagine.
Actually come to think of it will VXX also replace the VH-60N 'White Hawks' as well? The reason why I ask is, I thought donkeys ago, when the spec came out, it cited not only the VH-3D but the VH-60N as well???
Cheers
Lockheed Martin has been known to aasociate themselves with the winning programs lately, beating out the two other major military contractors Boeing and Northrop Grumman in every major aviation program for the last twenty years.
The NAVY cut the requirements to fit the S-92 so that even a lesser airframe can get the job done.
It's understandable that the US helicopter industry tries to protect the only major revenue stream they are left with, since the civilian operators are choosing what the best machines really are and they are not made or designed here.
As far as 2020 for an IOC is concerned, the Pentagon may want to have a chat with the Canadian Armed Forces.
The NAVY cut the requirements to fit the S-92 so that even a lesser airframe can get the job done.
It's understandable that the US helicopter industry tries to protect the only major revenue stream they are left with, since the civilian operators are choosing what the best machines really are and they are not made or designed here.
As far as 2020 for an IOC is concerned, the Pentagon may want to have a chat with the Canadian Armed Forces.
