New US Presidential Helicopter requirement
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Yes, it was a typo. As your article states, HMX-1 support contracts are pretty common due to the cargo carried. The $8.4 million contract was just one of seven totaling $91 million that were awarded during CY-09.
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Yes, it was a typo. As your article states, HMX-1 support contracts are pretty common due to the cargo carried. The $8.4 million contract was just one of seven totaling $91 million that were awarded during CY-09.
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If you enjoyed the Antonov An-112 bid for KC-X, you're sure to like the latest chapter in the VXX saga:
China to offer AC313 for VXX
I suppose if one goes far enough back into the AC313's heritage (via the Z-8 and SA321), you do eventually discover a Sikorsky rotorhead, so expect to see the 'HMX-1 heritage' card played. 
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China to offer AC313 for VXX
In the VXX programme, which was revived by Washington in February 2010 after being cancelled in 2009 because of cost overruns, the partnership are planning to bid with AVIC's 13-tonne AC-313 medium-lift transport helicopter, which is principally designed for civilian use.
The VXX programme is worth about USD6 billion and, if USAE-AVIC bids for the contract, it is likely to be up against the AgustaWestland AW101 and the Sikorsky S-92 medium-lift helicopters. The USN is expected to procure more than 20 platforms to replace the existing Sikorsky VH-3 and VH-60 helicopters from around 2017.
The VXX programme is worth about USD6 billion and, if USAE-AVIC bids for the contract, it is likely to be up against the AgustaWestland AW101 and the Sikorsky S-92 medium-lift helicopters. The USN is expected to procure more than 20 platforms to replace the existing Sikorsky VH-3 and VH-60 helicopters from around 2017.
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Chinese stealth fighter maker may soon be flying Obama in its choppers!
February 4, 2011 – 12:55 pm By News Desk | Washington, Feb 4
Barack Obama and future US presidents may one day fly on Chinese made helicopters, as the United States is looking to replace the aging Marine One fleet used by its president.
China Aviation Industry Corp. known as AVIC is also developing the J-20 stealth fighter, which made its first public test flight last month. The J-20 appears to be designed to rival US F-22 Raptor, the world’s only fully operational stealth fighter
AVIC has teamed up with a California company to try to launch bids for US defense contracts, including one to supply Chinese helicopters to replace Marine One fleet.
AVIC has been in talks for more than a year with California-based US Aerospace Inc. about offering the AC-313 – China’s largest domestically produced helicopter – as the next generation of the Marine One fleet, The Wall Street Journal reports.
The AC-313, which made its first flight last year, is powered by three engines made by Pratt and Whitney, a unit of United Technologies Corp. and can seat up to 27 passengers and two crew members.
It is designed to compete with the likes of Sikorsky and AgustaWestland in the global market for civilian helicopters.
“It may sound ludicrous but that doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen. We want China to supply aircraft to the US because we think it makes economic sense,” said John Kirkland, a lawyer for U.S. Aerospace who is directly involved in the negotiations and authorized to speak on the company’s behalf.
The Marine One fleet consists of 19 helicopters – 11 Sikorsky VH-3Ds that entered service in 1976 and eight smaller Sikorsky VH-60Ns, which were introduced in 1989.
In 2005, the US Navy awarded a contract to supply a replacement dubbed the V-XX to a US team led by Lockheed Martin for delivery between 2009 and 2014.
By 2009, however, the cost of the program had escalated and, under political pressure, President Obama canceled the contract and asked the Navy to find a cheaper option.
The people involved in the partnership say the two companies have also been discussing putting AVIC’s new L-15 trainer jet as a candidate to replace the US fleet of Northrop T-38s, The Wall Street Journal reports. (ANI)
February 4, 2011 – 12:55 pm By News Desk | Washington, Feb 4
Barack Obama and future US presidents may one day fly on Chinese made helicopters, as the United States is looking to replace the aging Marine One fleet used by its president.
China Aviation Industry Corp. known as AVIC is also developing the J-20 stealth fighter, which made its first public test flight last month. The J-20 appears to be designed to rival US F-22 Raptor, the world’s only fully operational stealth fighter
AVIC has teamed up with a California company to try to launch bids for US defense contracts, including one to supply Chinese helicopters to replace Marine One fleet.
AVIC has been in talks for more than a year with California-based US Aerospace Inc. about offering the AC-313 – China’s largest domestically produced helicopter – as the next generation of the Marine One fleet, The Wall Street Journal reports.
The AC-313, which made its first flight last year, is powered by three engines made by Pratt and Whitney, a unit of United Technologies Corp. and can seat up to 27 passengers and two crew members.
It is designed to compete with the likes of Sikorsky and AgustaWestland in the global market for civilian helicopters.
“It may sound ludicrous but that doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen. We want China to supply aircraft to the US because we think it makes economic sense,” said John Kirkland, a lawyer for U.S. Aerospace who is directly involved in the negotiations and authorized to speak on the company’s behalf.
The Marine One fleet consists of 19 helicopters – 11 Sikorsky VH-3Ds that entered service in 1976 and eight smaller Sikorsky VH-60Ns, which were introduced in 1989.
In 2005, the US Navy awarded a contract to supply a replacement dubbed the V-XX to a US team led by Lockheed Martin for delivery between 2009 and 2014.
By 2009, however, the cost of the program had escalated and, under political pressure, President Obama canceled the contract and asked the Navy to find a cheaper option.
The people involved in the partnership say the two companies have also been discussing putting AVIC’s new L-15 trainer jet as a candidate to replace the US fleet of Northrop T-38s, The Wall Street Journal reports. (ANI)
Why not up-grade the CH-53D.....it would fill the bill quite well I would think.
What would best fit the bill is a helicopter with a rear ramp access to load luggage and stores,with good cabin space for up to 15-20 passengers and most importantly a US designed dynamic system,engines and avionics.
Oh my...fits the AC313 to a tee..and helps US-Chinese diplomatic relations.
P.S. If the Russians can buy foreign helicopters for their president why not Obama ?
Oh my...fits the AC313 to a tee..and helps US-Chinese diplomatic relations.
P.S. If the Russians can buy foreign helicopters for their president why not Obama ?
From Wikipedia, the fount of all knowledge.
Following Chinese certification, the first AC313 is to be delivered to Flying Dragon Special Aviation, in 2011. Avicopter has plans to certify the AC313 for sales in Europe and the United States. The AC313 has possibly also been offered by China Aviation Industry Corp, in co-operation with U.S. Aerospace Inc, to replace the Marine One helicopter(s), used to transport the President of the United States.[6] It is very unlikely that this offer will be accepted.[6]
So the RFP is being issued .. again!
US Navy seeks presidential helicopter replacement | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source
Who's willing to place a wager on Sikorsky coming through this time?
6 May, 13
Today the Navy issued a Request for Proposal (RFP) in the Presidential Helicopter Replacement Program (VXX). Proposals are due in 90 days with a goal to award a fixed-price incentive engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) contract, with production options, by mid-calendar year 2014.
Today the Navy issued a Request for Proposal (RFP) in the Presidential Helicopter Replacement Program (VXX). Proposals are due in 90 days with a goal to award a fixed-price incentive engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) contract, with production options, by mid-calendar year 2014.
Who's willing to place a wager on Sikorsky coming through this time?
Why not an Osprey....it could be a Dandy for trips in the Northeast....and allow the 747's and G-5's to sit on the ramp more often....as they are overkill for short trips.
After all....the Osprey is a well proven safe aircraft isn't it?
Bell has not had a Presidential Aircraft since when....Eisenhower?
After all....the Osprey is a well proven safe aircraft isn't it?
Bell has not had a Presidential Aircraft since when....Eisenhower?
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R66 if they are lookin to save funds, after all, wouldnt do to fly the President of the USof A in some EU or perish the thought a Brit built thingy..
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Who's willing to place a wager on Sikorsky coming through this time?
Offerors will be highly encouraged to propose an existing, in-production helicopter platform from which the VXX will be derived. It is the Government's desire to hold development to an absolute minimum on the VXX Program and focus the program effort on integration of mature subsystems on a mature platform. While minor changes to the platform to accommodate integration of subsystems are inevitable, change to major components such as drive train, rotors, engines and basic structure is highly discouraged. In keeping with this approach, the Offerors will be encouraged to not propose any design elements that contain immature technology or that might be deemed Critical Technology Elements (CTEs).
Plus, this precludes SAC from implementing their long-awaited desperately needed 5-bladed rotor for the 92 (especially at a HGW VXX iteration).
Bell has not had a Presidential Aircraft since when....Eisenhower?
1957: Eisenhower becomes first US President to fly in a helicopter - Bell 47J Ranger.
1958: Sikorsky CH-34 becomes 'official' Presidential helicopter.
1961: Sikorsky VH-3A replaces VH-34 (first aircraft to be called "Marine One").
1962: President Kennedy commissions 'USA' titles on aircraft livery.
1964: Bell VH-1N introduced during President Lyndon Johnson's administration; for use during visits to Vail, Colorado.
1970: Bell UH-1N used for Presidential transport (Nixon).
1976: Sikorsky VH-3D replaces UH-1N.
So, technically, the last 'official' Bell would have been one of the UH-1N's used during the Nixon administration.
Bell UH-1N as used during the Nixon years
Note: I am not 100% on all of the above details.
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Last edited by Savoia; 7th May 2013 at 08:27. Reason: Amend details as per inputs from Tottigol & Jack Carson
Tottigol: Looking now at the air intake, it is definitely a UH-1N (ie. 212).
But .. it gets confusing because the USAF operate these ..
.. also 'white tops' but not normally used for Presidential transport.
So the S92 has no chance?
But .. it gets confusing because the USAF operate these ..
.. also 'white tops' but not normally used for Presidential transport.
With an S92? Not bloody likely.
If the S-92 hasn't a chance, why would Sikorsky even bid on the project? 
Sav,
The Air Force for sure and perhaps the Army and Marine Corps have aircraft assigned to evacuate Critical Staff in the event of Major Hostilities that would affect Continuity of Government. The USAF uses UH-1N models for that....or did anyway.
At one time the Army was using H-21's for that duty.
The Air Force for sure and perhaps the Army and Marine Corps have aircraft assigned to evacuate Critical Staff in the event of Major Hostilities that would affect Continuity of Government. The USAF uses UH-1N models for that....or did anyway.
At one time the Army was using H-21's for that duty.
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The President’s Marine helicopter squadron received the first of 12 MV-22 Ospreys on April 5, although the president will not be traveling aboard the tilt-rotor aircraft with the checkered early flight history.
The Ospreys that join the Marine Helicopter Squadron One fleet will carry presidential support staff and the media rather than the President of the United States.
Marines will paint the Ospreys in the squadron green. The VH-3D Sea King and VH-60 White Hawks that carry the president are painted white on top and called “white tops.”
The Marines started flight operations with the Osprey on April 26, however the tilt-rotor aircraft will not start carrying reporters and presidential support staff until later in 2013, according to the Marine announcement.
The Ospreys that join the Marine Helicopter Squadron One fleet will carry presidential support staff and the media rather than the President of the United States.
Marines will paint the Ospreys in the squadron green. The VH-3D Sea King and VH-60 White Hawks that carry the president are painted white on top and called “white tops.”
The Marines started flight operations with the Osprey on April 26, however the tilt-rotor aircraft will not start carrying reporters and presidential support staff until later in 2013, according to the Marine announcement.
