Need info, dyed kerosene.
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crop duster, be interested what approval you have to use diesel. Aviation fuel specs call out purity ie limit on foreign matter, so where did you get approval to use your dirty Mississippi barge fuel from. Can't see the FAA giving it a tick.
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I don't have access to an Alt2 PoH, or (for that matter) an Alt2, so I can't confirm this. Hence 'I believe'. Since nothing I'm rated for or have access to currently uses anything other than AVGAS, my interest in the matter is purely curiosity, and I have no reason to offer definate proof. I simply provide information I'm aware of as a possible lead to anyone who may have more interest than I do.
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I believe (there's that phrase again) that it is legal, under some jurisdictions, based on the PoH, to run an Alt2 on heating kerosene, provided you filter out the excess water. As far as I'm aware (with no particular proof), this is not legal on the G register, but can be done on some other European regs. I only know of this being done for private ops, not for commercial ones.
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I believe (there's that phrase again) that it is legal, under some jurisdictions, based on the PoH, to run an Alt2 on heating kerosene, provided you filter out the excess water. As far as I'm aware (with no particular proof), this is not legal on the G register, but can be done on some other European regs. I only know of this being done for private ops, not for commercial ones.
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Way back when...
The English army dyed Avgas with a purple dye to prevent us 'orrible tech types and other ground handlers filling our cars with it. If you were ever caught driving through camp gates with a purple exhaust, you were very soon making acquaintance with the monkeys.
Funny thing is, the only person I knew who got caught was a peelow.
I wonder if they still do?
(P.S. I know you were talking kero, I wonder if it could be dyed for a similar reason)
The English army dyed Avgas with a purple dye to prevent us 'orrible tech types and other ground handlers filling our cars with it. If you were ever caught driving through camp gates with a purple exhaust, you were very soon making acquaintance with the monkeys.
Funny thing is, the only person I knew who got caught was a peelow.
I wonder if they still do?
(P.S. I know you were talking kero, I wonder if it could be dyed for a similar reason)
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Originally Posted by Brian Abraham
crop duster, be interested what approval you have to use diesel. Aviation fuel specs call out purity ie limit on foreign matter, so where did you get approval to use your dirty Mississippi barge fuel from. Can't see the FAA giving it a tick.
UACL Service Bulletin Number 1344. (If jet fuel is not available, aviation
gasoline, MIL-G-5572, all grades, may be used for a maximum of 150 hours
between overhauls.) Automotive diesel fuel is approved only for agricultural
application flights and only when the free air temperature is above:
+20oF for Grade No. 1D
+40oF for Grade No. 2D
as per Type Certificate
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Originally Posted by eagleskinner
Way back when...
The English army dyed Avgas with a purple dye to prevent us 'orrible tech types and other ground handlers filling our cars with it. If you were ever caught driving through camp gates with a purple exhaust, you were very soon making acquaintance with the monkeys.
The English army dyed Avgas with a purple dye to prevent us 'orrible tech types and other ground handlers filling our cars with it. If you were ever caught driving through camp gates with a purple exhaust, you were very soon making acquaintance with the monkeys.
We had a Hughes 500 owner who ran on red diesel. When we dropped the EDP fuel pump filter the water tidemark was 50% up the side of the filter. The 45 degree angle of the engine did not help as the water tended to migrate to the bottom of the filter bowl and stay there. I wondered how long it would be before the water level rose to the fuel outlet point.
In addition the fuel dye stain was there for all to see on the filter!!!!!! Image the effect of a steep nosedown which caused a slug of water like that to suddenly enter the fuel system.
Engine out warnings and a horrible silence from the hot bit at the back!!!!!
Commercial diesel can have a very high water content, storage and transport conditions are less stringent than aviation fuel.
In addition the fuel dye stain was there for all to see on the filter!!!!!! Image the effect of a steep nosedown which caused a slug of water like that to suddenly enter the fuel system.
Engine out warnings and a horrible silence from the hot bit at the back!!!!!
Commercial diesel can have a very high water content, storage and transport conditions are less stringent than aviation fuel.
If you are running diesel or kerosene instead of jet fuel to save money, the amount of $ savings will be only a small fraction of the cost of the RR250 bills that will be coming down the line. Clogged fuel nozzle = poor spray pattern = burnt combustion liner and nozzles.
Arctic diesel is closer to Jet A but unless you really know which fuel you are getting I would stick with good ol' jet fuel.
Arctic diesel is closer to Jet A but unless you really know which fuel you are getting I would stick with good ol' jet fuel.
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ran a heap of avtur through an old grader once about fifteen years ago. a cat 12E-21F. After about a 120 hours it cost me about 4 and a half grand to fix the donk.
others reckoned that I should have thrown some oil in with it.
Others also reckon that you should throw a bit of standard petrol in with diesel when the avtur is running low. Me I think I'll just buy a bit more avtur.
there's an old bush ballad that's been bastardised a bit here is oz, one line is;
"Have you ever bin on the kerosene,
when the metho's runnin low?"
others reckoned that I should have thrown some oil in with it.
Others also reckon that you should throw a bit of standard petrol in with diesel when the avtur is running low. Me I think I'll just buy a bit more avtur.
there's an old bush ballad that's been bastardised a bit here is oz, one line is;
"Have you ever bin on the kerosene,
when the metho's runnin low?"
