Why American Aviation is so Remarkable
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Why American Aviation is so Remarkable
This NTSB Report is a MUST read:
DFW08LA122
No licence, re-built ex SSH R44 with no records, fatality, no accident report form filed...
Local press report with video. Not much of the aircraft left.
Helicopter crash injures 2 in Bartlett | News for Austin, Texas | KVUE.com | Top Stories
How come this guy isn't facing a homicide rap?
DFW08LA122
No licence, re-built ex SSH R44 with no records, fatality, no accident report form filed...
Local press report with video. Not much of the aircraft left.
Helicopter crash injures 2 in Bartlett | News for Austin, Texas | KVUE.com | Top Stories
How come this guy isn't facing a homicide rap?
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Unbelievable!
Maybe flame retardant suits and helmets should be compulsary after all!
Maybe flame retardant suits and helmets should be compulsary after all!
I did receive some laughs from others (even those who HAVE TO instruct in Nomex flightsuits) I'll get nomex gloves later on, once I'm better on stick and gloves won't impede my learning.
This story isn't about their clothing.
He's such absolutely reckless irresponsible tit it's hard to describe that person properly. Even more so taking another person onboard.
Many of us have seen that 0h TT proud 'teach yourself' owner of Schweizer 300 on youtube. Ehm.
What's amazing amongst all that 'helped' this accident to happen (it couldn't happen any other way, except severity of injuries),
is that the guy was already fixed wing pilot. (ehm, mate, just unpack it as lego, slot it in, put some gas and don't worry about that extra stick on the left, just yank it to get afloat. Jarred pedal or pineaple jar behind pedals?? C'mon. Jar instead of brain.)
I hope FAA or any other CAA would never allow him to pilot anything.
edit: yeah, also locking him up for a while for breaking law etc is appropriate, too.
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All sounds a bit odd to me apart from the idiocy of a guy with little or zero rotary experience chancing his arm. Helicopter lifts ... whacks T/R on the raised bank behind and according to his report "spins left" Hardly correct as we all know!
How do we stop such guys without making an example and bringing in a pilot manslaughter charge or whatever the US guys call it.
DennisK
How do we stop such guys without making an example and bringing in a pilot manslaughter charge or whatever the US guys call it.
DennisK
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Dennis, I don't think anyone can prevent folk like these from harming themselves (and those stupid enough to ride along with them). Unfortunately, it is often teenagers in cars but some never grow up or get more common sense.
As the saying goes, you can try as hard as you can to make something idiot proof. Then then just when you think you've got it cracked, along comes a better class of idiot....
As the saying goes, you can try as hard as you can to make something idiot proof. Then then just when you think you've got it cracked, along comes a better class of idiot....
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I don't think nationality captures the brand of idiocy that this tale defines:
I was a member of the EAA once upon a time, and met a fellow who was building his own helo. He went to great lengths to explain how he was going to teach himself to fly it, using tethers of ever-longer lengths. I asked him why he just didn't get an Instructor, and he acted insulted! He was German, BTW.
I was a member of the EAA once upon a time, and met a fellow who was building his own helo. He went to great lengths to explain how he was going to teach himself to fly it, using tethers of ever-longer lengths. I asked him why he just didn't get an Instructor, and he acted insulted! He was German, BTW.
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Ya'll seem to be missing the target with all yer shooting....it pays to draw fast...aim slow...not the other way around.
The Killer did not get killed....the victim got killed.
The Killer did not get killed....the victim got killed.
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Hey rotor folks
and furthermore I'm sure the poor passenger thought the guy was fully competent to fly it
did you all know that most folks think a pilot can fly everything ?
you should see the wide eyed stares I've gotten from people when I said "no I can't fly a chopper", "no I can't do logging operations in the mountains with a chopper", "no I can't do a roof top landing"..so what can you do with a chopper?.. I say, start the engine then make a very loud noise
Don't worry the guy's finished, he'll never fly anything again and he most likely will go to prison for a long while
PA
did you all know that most folks think a pilot can fly everything ?
you should see the wide eyed stares I've gotten from people when I said "no I can't fly a chopper", "no I can't do logging operations in the mountains with a chopper", "no I can't do a roof top landing"..so what can you do with a chopper?.. I say, start the engine then make a very loud noise
Don't worry the guy's finished, he'll never fly anything again and he most likely will go to prison for a long while
PA
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This is not just confined to the USA. I talked with the inventor of the Heli-D Wing back in the early 90's. Bizarre bit of kit that had no chance of getting airborne, and has since been added to my list of 'Flights of Fancy'.
The inventor didn't need any help from anyone. He was going to flight test this new device himself, even though he didn't have a private fixed wing license, let alone any helicopter time or any flight test / development flight time.
Fortunately, he couldn't raise the money he needed to get started, and all he got made were some interesting models...
The inventor didn't need any help from anyone. He was going to flight test this new device himself, even though he didn't have a private fixed wing license, let alone any helicopter time or any flight test / development flight time.
Fortunately, he couldn't raise the money he needed to get started, and all he got made were some interesting models...
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I remember a story about a couple of sailors quite some years ago who tried to get into the spirit of an airshow at Nowra (an OZ Navy airbase) I think it was, wanted to to do a free demo in one her majesties machines.
It, ended up on the ground;
they, ended up in the slammer, but then sailors???
Then there's the story about the german bank robber who is travelling OZ. He knocked off a bank in Port Headland or some god forsaken West Oz joint- he had done some ab-initio instruction back in the fatherland, a couple of hours - and was looking for a novel fast getaway.
So he knocks off an Airfast '47, then left a clue as to his passing by leaving one skid hanging in the hangar roof and rolled the rest up just a ways further.
The story gets better, he stashes the loot in a roadside drain and hitches a lift south, then claiming he'd been robbed and mugged, presents at hospital to fix his wounds.
Meanwhile the local blacks kids find the loot, and immediately buy out the local pushbike shop, the coppers get sus, they send a wire to the hospital to - "immobilise him in plaster"
Old mate wokes he's been sprung, saws of his cast, escape from the hospital dunny window and wasn't seen for many a year if ever. an that's ridgy didge!
but there's been others, that present with a real live piece of paper saying that they're fully fledged pilots, and welllll ---??
It, ended up on the ground;
they, ended up in the slammer, but then sailors???
Then there's the story about the german bank robber who is travelling OZ. He knocked off a bank in Port Headland or some god forsaken West Oz joint- he had done some ab-initio instruction back in the fatherland, a couple of hours - and was looking for a novel fast getaway.
So he knocks off an Airfast '47, then left a clue as to his passing by leaving one skid hanging in the hangar roof and rolled the rest up just a ways further.
The story gets better, he stashes the loot in a roadside drain and hitches a lift south, then claiming he'd been robbed and mugged, presents at hospital to fix his wounds.
Meanwhile the local blacks kids find the loot, and immediately buy out the local pushbike shop, the coppers get sus, they send a wire to the hospital to - "immobilise him in plaster"
Old mate wokes he's been sprung, saws of his cast, escape from the hospital dunny window and wasn't seen for many a year if ever. an that's ridgy didge!
but there's been others, that present with a real live piece of paper saying that they're fully fledged pilots, and welllll ---??
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DennisK notes:
It's easy to assume that this guy had "little or zero" r/w experience. But the mere fact that he wasn't r/w rated doesn't prove that. If he felt comfortable enough to attempt to commit aviation with a passenger in an R-44, then we can assume he was not "RW: 0.0 TT."
We can't. People will continue to do stupid things - some of them with aircraft. Wishing that the FAA/CAA will never let them fly again is also dumb: The lack of a helicopter rating certainly didn't stop this guy, nor did the lack of an airworthy helicopter. Revocation of his certs would be no deterrent.
It's the same thing as enacting strict gun laws in the naive and futile hope that it will reduce gun-related crime, forgetting that criminals by nature are not law-abiding citizens. Dang it!
All sounds a bit odd to me apart from the idiocy of a guy with little or zero rotary experience chancing his arm.
How do we stop such guys?
It's the same thing as enacting strict gun laws in the naive and futile hope that it will reduce gun-related crime, forgetting that criminals by nature are not law-abiding citizens. Dang it!
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It's the same thing as enacting strict gun laws in the naive and futile hope that it will reduce gun-related crime, forgetting that criminals by nature are not law-abiding citizens. Dang it!
especially those real rural slower types.
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Orville and Wilbur did not have any licenses, training, or mentors or even a cook book to read on how to do it.....but they figured it out okay!
Ah...but then that is American Aviation for you....along with a bit of other odd bits thrown in...Apollo, Space Shuttle, Rutan, Lindbergh, Boeing, Blackbird, Phantom, B-52, DC-3, Huey, Chinook....Gann, Bach...yeah....nothing much to brag about over here is there?
Ah...but then that is American Aviation for you....along with a bit of other odd bits thrown in...Apollo, Space Shuttle, Rutan, Lindbergh, Boeing, Blackbird, Phantom, B-52, DC-3, Huey, Chinook....Gann, Bach...yeah....nothing much to brag about over here is there?
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without any disrespect for Orville, Wilbur and things american, there is a gentleman -immortalised in OZ in some of our past currency and stamps - who really got the kite flying.
From Google
as far as test flying goes, I'll go with Hanna Reitsch and especially John Glenn when things got a bit outa hand on his flight - up there.
From Google
Lawrence Hargrave
1850-1915
The Wright brothers had access to Hargrave's work through the aviation annuals published by James Means, and Octave Chanute's Progress in Flying Machines.
Chanute, who corresponded with the Wright brothers, devoted a section of his book to Hargrave's experiments. But the Wright brothers, constrained by politics and patent problems of their time, admitted no influences
1850-1915
The Wright brothers had access to Hargrave's work through the aviation annuals published by James Means, and Octave Chanute's Progress in Flying Machines.
Chanute, who corresponded with the Wright brothers, devoted a section of his book to Hargrave's experiments. But the Wright brothers, constrained by politics and patent problems of their time, admitted no influences