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Old 31st Jul 2008, 15:06
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Question Engine Off's in R22's

For those who fly for "Queen and Country" - who is the Guru of EOL's in UK? I am planning a visit in August and September and would like to spend some time with an instructor who is advertised, within the industry, as being 'spot on' with the skills necessary to achieve a safe EOL - not only in an R22 but transferable across the spectrum of Helicopters.

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Old 31st Jul 2008, 15:46
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If you can do a 'safe' EOL in a 22, you can do it in anything! Of the 20 or so types of singles I have flown, the 22 is the one I dislike most for this exercise. You are right to seek advice on who to go to, though. Some QHIs I have flown with (admittedly some time ago) were quite dreadful!
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Old 31st Jul 2008, 16:00
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Mike Green at Helicopter Services, Wycombe Air Park.
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Old 31st Jul 2008, 16:01
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EOL

Derek Jones @ HJS helicopters if you make it as far as Scotland.
He was head of training when Bristow were at Redhill, is ex military and has a display licence for the 22.
Time in the air with Derek is never wasted!

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Old 31st Jul 2008, 16:30
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I'm a long way from England but curious to ask if Quentin Smith still works at HeliAir at Denham ? He's the son of the great Mike Smith who owned the same company. Quentin takes the R22 to its limits and you will learn a hell of a lot from him. With a bit of luck you might even get to fly with the old guru himself - a very nice gentleman.
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Old 31st Jul 2008, 18:51
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ReverseFlight,

FYI, Mike has now retired. (Well, he's certainly sold his share in Heliair but I don't know whether or not you could still persuade him to show you a few EOLs in an R22.)



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Old 31st Jul 2008, 22:25
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I learned much from flights with both Quentin and his father - but they aren't for the faint-hearted!!

Glenda Wild was a fantastic tutor on these, but no idea what she is up to these days.
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Old 31st Jul 2008, 22:39
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The guy who did my skills test with me....John Lane I believe....owns/runs Heliflight at staverton airport(??)...

Did several full down landings with him....including a full down auto from 500ftwith a 360degree turn (with him very much on the controls I hasten to add!)

Need to practice to get as good as that.....
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Old 31st Jul 2008, 23:24
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Without....er....blowing my own trumpet...... please feel free to contact either Eric or me at EGLG.

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Old 1st Aug 2008, 00:04
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Mike Green at Helicopter Services, Wycombe Air Park. Can't agree more. Brilliant. He makes it look natural.
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 00:20
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If it was an auto from 500 AGL starting at zero airspeed with a 360, you were playing with fire.

Rate of descent in that maneuver in an R-22 well exceeds 2000 fpm ROD. Not smart. Had a CFI demonstrate that one a few times with me onboard back when I was clueless, and he almost lost it on the last attempt. Pointless cowboy flying. Not recommended
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 00:44
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Mike Horrell MFH Helicopters Peterborough Conington, has in excess of 20k hours all piston, countless hours crop spraying in robbo's. Amazing skills without any excessive showboating. Could put it down every time under any circumstances.
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 01:19
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TheVelvetGlove,

I've also been involved in a 500' agl, zero airspeed, 360 degree auto to the ground. Granted it was in a H300, but I think this is a valid manoeuver for photo flight pilots and the emergency services to practice. Was the instructor practicing his skills for this reason or was it true risk taking?

The guys at Helicopter Services have excellent reputations.
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 02:30
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True risk taking when it was demonstrated to me.... I admit that there is some value in the maneuver, but it has little value when demonstrated to a pre-private pilot....
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Teaching 500agl 360 full down to pre-private pilot. Talk about jumping the gun!!!
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 07:56
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Bravo73, I haven't spoken to Mike Smith for a long time and last time when I met him he was on the verge of retirement age although he still preferred to continue flying. I wonder what he's doing these days.
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 12:26
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Just to clarify....the 500ft with 360 turn was initiated at 50kts to demonstrate an engine off right where you dont want one on an aproach....

Deffinately not a cowboy trick and if anything one of the most usefull experiences of my flying career to date......It was more of a demonstration rather than a lesson!!
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 12:59
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Mike Green has a wealth of knowledge and experience with EOL's on all types of single engine helicopters. If your flying into any of the London Airports, he would one of the closest.

He is at Wycombe Air Park most weeks.

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Old 1st Aug 2008, 13:47
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EOL's

Roy Bayliss at Sterling (Norwich) taught me a lot about EOL's and how to do them with confidence
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Old 1st Aug 2008, 18:33
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John Lane performed a 720 degree full down auto from 700 feet on the way back from my trto skills test which was pretty impressive. How he kept up with the RRPM I don't know.

How do you judge The best EOL? Is the best the safest and the most accurate? Or the most show offish?

Anyone who has done A few thousand on these is going to be pretty good I reckon.
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