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Old 2nd Dec 2009, 22:39
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Would the pilot hear/sense/feel the round impact the aircraft?

Asks he who was born in an age where others fought the wars.


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MJB,

That question is more pertinent than one thinks....unless the rounds impact something of stoutness....such as main beams, or other heavy duty structural members....perhaps not. The distance between the point where the round impacts and the pilot also plays a role in whether it is felt/heard/recorded.

That being said....when a .51 Caliber round removes the pedal from under ones foot....trust there is no doubt that it has passed through the cockpit! However...there can be great uncertainty as to exactly what has occurred despite there being no doubt it is not for the good!
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Angry Welcome to the Helicopter Noise Coalition

Published on their web page

Anti-helicopters? How can we be? When we saw sturdy Sea Kings and their winchmen hauling the elderly and infirm from their flooded Gloucestershire homes in July 07, we could only applaud. Truth is, these essential flights are a minority of rotary-winged movements.

If only they were silent.

Our embryonic website is attracting registrations from noise-affected communities across the UK. See also www.wapag.org.uk for our local action group.

"If only they were silent"

I trust that any of the muppets who support this sort of NIMBY drivel, anywhere, would not complain if Crab and Co. and his Naval and Coast Guard colleagues came thundering along to haul them off the top of their roof or if they happen to get stuck on a hill while out walking in less than favourable weather

While there are a minority of pilots who fly without regard for the general populous and tarnish us all with the same brush I would firmly believe that the vast majority of helicopter and fixed wing pilots try to be as non intrusive as possible and fly as considerately as they can to reduce their noise foot print.

I know from experience when I was originally learning to fly (fixed wing) at Weston Aerodrome in Dublin in the early 80's that the great Darby Kennedy made sure that we all understood the necessity for being considerate to his neighbours with their stud farms, cattle farms and the local, then small village on the approach to runway 25. Woe betide anyone who infringed the rules!

Then developers started to build a new housing development at Leixlip within a mile or so to the 25 threshhold. And as usual as soon as the houses were occupied the noise complaints, etc started

Weston is an excellent example of a small rural airfield that has managed to survive being encroached on and if you check out their web page there is a major emphasis on their Fly Neighbourly Programme:

Weston Executive Airport Dublin, Helicopter, Jet Airport Dublin, Ireland, Citywest Hotel

Good luck to all at High Wycombe I had a very pleasant week there in September with Mike Green at Helicopter Services.

And hopefully the police will throw the book at the idiot with the rifle!

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Old 3rd Dec 2009, 12:21
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hopefully the police will throw the book at the idiot with the rifle!
They'd love to, I'm sure but, as I understand it, they have no evidence to convict him. Like Macavity The Mystery Cat, he wasn't there and has "an alibi".

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I wonder if they tried to turn away the air ambulance that landed within the Booker Zone some 6 months (maybe 12) or so ago to rescue the rider thrown from a horse in their "neighbours" paddock ?
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After all, no one here uses pipsqueak little pop-guns like .22s, do they?
A good summary of typical rifle use in the UK,

Stock Exchange Rifle Club London and Bisley Shooting

And perhaps there is an element worth conveying, e.g. 308 vs 22,

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...comparison.jpg

when a .51 Caliber round removes the pedal from under ones foot
I hope your first action was an immediate weight and balance recalculation
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