Interesting facts - PSNI Helicopter
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Interesting facts - PSNI Helicopter
The cost of purchasing the pilot services for the helicopter during the time period 1.1.06 to 31.12.06 amounted to £265,000.00. The ready reckoner cost of two observers (constables) amounted to approx £110,00.00 during the same time period.
mechanical servicing for the PSNI helicopter costs of £385,934.34 for the period 1/1/06 - 31/12/06 as requested.
The total fuel costs for the PSNI Helicopter from 01/01/2006 till 31/12/2006 was £97,101.88.
Total costs for landing fees for the PSNI Helicopter in 2006 - £8,884.23.
Number of operational hours 2006 - 1018 incidents - 1324 flying hours which I worked out myself to be 3.6 hours per day.
In the first 6 months of 2007 there were 605 incidents and 615 flying hours which I worked out to be an average of 3.3 hours per day.
Value for money
mechanical servicing for the PSNI helicopter costs of £385,934.34 for the period 1/1/06 - 31/12/06 as requested.
The total fuel costs for the PSNI Helicopter from 01/01/2006 till 31/12/2006 was £97,101.88.
Total costs for landing fees for the PSNI Helicopter in 2006 - £8,884.23.
Number of operational hours 2006 - 1018 incidents - 1324 flying hours which I worked out myself to be 3.6 hours per day.
In the first 6 months of 2007 there were 605 incidents and 615 flying hours which I worked out to be an average of 3.3 hours per day.
Value for money
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Skyhigh,
What is the value of a single human life saved or child found?
How much crime was prevented or how many crooks were caught because of the helicopters actions?
Your point has been made before and you still don't get it...
What is the value of a single human life saved or child found?
How much crime was prevented or how many crooks were caught because of the helicopters actions?
Your point has been made before and you still don't get it...
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Ha Ha - don't like is to strong sorry.
I think what some people forget is the PSNI is now accountable in NI and that includes wasting money !!
How many more would be saved if for the other 21hrs a day it was used as an air-ambulance ?
I think what some people forget is the PSNI is now accountable in NI and that includes wasting money !!
What is the value of a single human life saved or child found?
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A helicopter cannot spend 24 hours in the air - both it, and the pilots, need fuel! And maintenance. And a pee!
You have had the issues explained to you ad infinitum but still it's a bee in your bonnet? Why? What's your agenda? The only posts made here are about PSNI ASU.
No **** Sherlock!! Just like the rest of the UK then!
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You have had the issues explained to you ad infinitum but still it's a bee in your bonnet? Why? What's your agenda? The only posts made here are about PSNI ASU.
Originally Posted by Skyhigh-Ulster
I think what some people forget is the PSNI is now accountable in NI
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Skyhigh
One thing that you have overlooked around the staff costs is that if the helicopter wasn't there, how many extra police officers would be required to cover the calls & ground area that it can do?
As has been pointed out, you've taken basic costs and come to an assumption without doing a proper cost benefit analysis. Anyone can make figures look bad without proper analysis.
IIRC, there is another thread about dual role helicopters and the basic premise is that it doesn't work due to delays in switching from one tasking to another taking into account an emergency HEMS response. Additionally, if the helicopter is in the air in the Police role and is then required as HEMS then you have lost that capability.
As for your final point about accountability, totally agree with what has been written by others more knowledgable than me. I think that the total cost per person in NI is closer to 80p per annum based on some very quick and dirty maths but have you considered that you have actually wasted a great deal more than that in your postings about it?
One thing that you have overlooked around the staff costs is that if the helicopter wasn't there, how many extra police officers would be required to cover the calls & ground area that it can do?
As has been pointed out, you've taken basic costs and come to an assumption without doing a proper cost benefit analysis. Anyone can make figures look bad without proper analysis.
IIRC, there is another thread about dual role helicopters and the basic premise is that it doesn't work due to delays in switching from one tasking to another taking into account an emergency HEMS response. Additionally, if the helicopter is in the air in the Police role and is then required as HEMS then you have lost that capability.
As for your final point about accountability, totally agree with what has been written by others more knowledgable than me. I think that the total cost per person in NI is closer to 80p per annum based on some very quick and dirty maths but have you considered that you have actually wasted a great deal more than that in your postings about it?
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Originally Posted by Skyhigh-Ulster
which I worked out myself Victoria to be 3.6 hours per day.
Total cost 2006 £866,920.45 which equates to £851.59 per incident and £669.88 per flying hour. Damned cheap if you ask me which makes me think your figures are wildly inaccurate/incomplete/wrong!!
The excess on my car insurance is £500. If the police use a helicopter to catch some car thieving scallies, I have possibly been saved that £500 as have other people. Bargain!!
The population of Northern Ireland in 2004 was estimated to be 1,710,300 which an increase per annum of 0.5% which, for 2006 would be 1,727,446. This is according to DFPNI.
This is 50pence per person. Not bad at all. The previous poster has postulated 80pence per person which would equate to total costs of running the ASU of £1,381,957. Probably nearer the mark.
The manner in which you have quoted your figures is attempting to be sensationalist and provocative - are you are a journalist? Certainly not an accountant!!!
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Victoria? 
Skyhigh Ulser - what's yer problem, then?
Either you support the programme or you don't. If you'd rather spend the money putting more plods on the street, fair enough but consider this....
The police work a 24-hour shift system, takes four people to fill one post every day - one early, one late, one nights, one resting. Factor in annual leave, sick leave, court appearances and so on and the acknowledged figure is 5.25 people on the payroll per single post.
If there are four Divisions or Districts with three stations each working a 24-hour roster, to provide an increase of ONE person available on duty on every tour on every day - that's ONE at any ONE time in each station - will require an extra 63 people on the payroll.
Now how much does a Plod with 5 or 6 years service get paid? Or haven't you worked that one out yet.
Now we come to how far one PC can walk during a tour of duty how much ground can they cover and then start figuring out how many it will take to provide eyes over an entire Division or District.
The Americans call the helicopter in police service a "force multiplier" and that is the key to understanding (if that's within your capability Skyhigh) the effectivenessof the helicopter in police service.
They can't be everywhere at the same time but they do need to be able to see everywhere when they're out there.
What are you proposing - that we all lock our doors and keep the shotgun under the pillow? If you don't trust the police and the service they provide to you, this isn't the place to get a result.
You need to be dealing with people in a very different place - if you have the balls for it!!
Go to bed, you need the sleep - and don't forget the shotgun!
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Skyhigh Ulser - what's yer problem, then?
Either you support the programme or you don't. If you'd rather spend the money putting more plods on the street, fair enough but consider this....
The police work a 24-hour shift system, takes four people to fill one post every day - one early, one late, one nights, one resting. Factor in annual leave, sick leave, court appearances and so on and the acknowledged figure is 5.25 people on the payroll per single post.
If there are four Divisions or Districts with three stations each working a 24-hour roster, to provide an increase of ONE person available on duty on every tour on every day - that's ONE at any ONE time in each station - will require an extra 63 people on the payroll.
Now how much does a Plod with 5 or 6 years service get paid? Or haven't you worked that one out yet.
Now we come to how far one PC can walk during a tour of duty how much ground can they cover and then start figuring out how many it will take to provide eyes over an entire Division or District.
The Americans call the helicopter in police service a "force multiplier" and that is the key to understanding (if that's within your capability Skyhigh) the effectivenessof the helicopter in police service.
They can't be everywhere at the same time but they do need to be able to see everywhere when they're out there.
What are you proposing - that we all lock our doors and keep the shotgun under the pillow? If you don't trust the police and the service they provide to you, this isn't the place to get a result.
You need to be dealing with people in a very different place - if you have the balls for it!!
Go to bed, you need the sleep - and don't forget the shotgun!
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Of-course thats not the full cost - Because while the PSNI are supposed to be accountable they're refusing to reveal the full costs of running the Helicopter 
I'm not saying get rid of it i'm saying when it and its expensive pilots are sitting on the TARMAC doing nothing - use it as an air-ambulance 
You mean they weren't accountable up to now SkyHigh? Hmmmm.........
i'm saying when it and its expensive pilots are sitting on the TARMAC doing nothing - use it as an air-ambulance
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You are wrong. Allways. We told you. It is boring to repeat everything 10 times and you are still not getting it.
The only thing that would be interesting is your motivation. What is wrong with you?
Wanna talk about it?
Should we find you a groupe of nice people where you can rant about helicopters? Just don't bother us again. Get a live, will you?
You are wrong. Allways. We told you. It is boring to repeat everything 10 times and you are still not getting it.
The only thing that would be interesting is your motivation. What is wrong with you?
Wanna talk about it?
Should we find you a groupe of nice people where you can rant about helicopters? Just don't bother us again. Get a live, will you?
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Here you are shyhigh, your money well spent in my opinion. But a sad outcome.
Here you are shyhigh, your money well spent in my opinion. But a sad outcome.
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