a bit of help please
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From: USA (PA)
now you got me curious... 
I found a uk flightschool quoting £70,000 ($136,000) all the way to FI license; here you pay roundabout £27,300 ($53,000) that leaves £46,500 ($90,550) for travel, housing (you would have to move out of mama's house )...
I'd say £12,800 ($25,000) should be plenty; so you have £33,700 ($65,500) left to fly in the UK - hat is more than 100 hours @ £330!
And as a bonus you're DUAL RATED too!!!
In a 100 hours I can teach every FAA moron (beeing one myself) the differences!
No bad blood here, I'm just hanging out at the pool and nothing better to do!
Cheers, Philip
I found a uk flightschool quoting £70,000 ($136,000) all the way to FI license; here you pay roundabout £27,300 ($53,000) that leaves £46,500 ($90,550) for travel, housing (you would have to move out of mama's house
)...I'd say £12,800 ($25,000) should be plenty; so you have £33,700 ($65,500) left to fly in the UK - hat is more than 100 hours @ £330!
And as a bonus you're DUAL RATED too!!!
In a 100 hours I can teach every FAA moron (beeing one myself) the differences!
No bad blood here, I'm just hanging out at the pool and nothing better to do!
Cheers, Philip
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From: An Irish dude in Houston, TX. I miss home!!!
Phil,
Your figures are very similar to what I had worked out for myself by doing my training in Ireland. I think I had figured it was gonna cost about 105K Euro by the time I got to FI. I think the schools in the UK were gonna be a little cheaper but not by much. That's why I ended up in Fresno, CA doing the FAA thing, and now I'm in the middle of the conversion.
Your figures are very similar to what I had worked out for myself by doing my training in Ireland. I think I had figured it was gonna cost about 105K Euro by the time I got to FI. I think the schools in the UK were gonna be a little cheaper but not by much. That's why I ended up in Fresno, CA doing the FAA thing, and now I'm in the middle of the conversion.
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From: Northern Ireland
Any advances on £12,800 for FAA-JAA conversion? How long would it take to convert an FAA ATPL (based on a pilot with a good aptitude and ability to pick things up quickly and training at a decent school)?
Hovering AND talking
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
I think it depends on how many hours you have on an FAA ATP. I can't remember the exact number (comparatively high I think) but if you have more than this, then you can be exempt the classroom element of the ground school so the theory side would only cost 13/14 exams x £63. If you're not exempt the classroom study, then add about another £1,700 on for the course plus accommodation and/or travel expenses.
How many types do you have on your FAA ATP as each of these would have to be converted?
A UK JAA ATPL includes an instrument rating. Is this conversion also included in your £12,800? If so, then I'd bite their hands off at that price for a full conversion; CPL/IR/type ratings for £10k (after the groundschool) is very good indeed.
Cheers
Whirls
How many types do you have on your FAA ATP as each of these would have to be converted?
A UK JAA ATPL includes an instrument rating. Is this conversion also included in your £12,800? If so, then I'd bite their hands off at that price for a full conversion; CPL/IR/type ratings for £10k (after the groundschool) is very good indeed.
Cheers
Whirls
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Since you are certainly aware that there is no type rating necessary to fly aircraft under 12,500 lbs in the US, you could answer the question yourself: 0
...and mostly you don't need a ATPL here - and if you do need one for you IFR job, you'll need the 1,200 hours FIRST ("frozen" not possible)
However a fancy type rating in a Schweizer or R22 shouldn't be a big deal once you have flown it a few hours. I'm not sure if you could even go to Bristow and just get that type rating over with.
Again, its not more complicated to FLY "european style" its just that everybody has to learn almost how to BUILD an aircraft or how to navigate around the world without a GPS (for a helicopter ATPL!) first (I got the Bristol.gs study material already).
Ever thought about how it is possible that so many Jets and Airlines land in europe every day with the same accident rate?
No bad blood, but I try to keep my sarkasm going
! (Americans unfortunately mostly don't understand it) I think if europe would get over the requirements to join their old boys club and the faa would require a bit more knowledge on systems and components we would do alot better!
...one last thing that occured to me regarding my calculations from earlier: disregard the cost of living, first of all you have to eat and sleep in the uk too and its even cheaper to live here!
So substracting travel you have still £40,000 left for type ratings and still be dual rated and probably with alot more hours through flight instructing too!
...and mostly you don't need a ATPL here - and if you do need one for you IFR job, you'll need the 1,200 hours FIRST ("frozen" not possible)
However a fancy type rating in a Schweizer or R22 shouldn't be a big deal once you have flown it a few hours. I'm not sure if you could even go to Bristow and just get that type rating over with.
Again, its not more complicated to FLY "european style" its just that everybody has to learn almost how to BUILD an aircraft or how to navigate around the world without a GPS (for a helicopter ATPL!) first (I got the Bristol.gs study material already).
Ever thought about how it is possible that so many Jets and Airlines land in europe every day with the same accident rate?
No bad blood, but I try to keep my sarkasm going
! (Americans unfortunately mostly don't understand it) I think if europe would get over the requirements to join their old boys club and the faa would require a bit more knowledge on systems and components we would do alot better! ...one last thing that occured to me regarding my calculations from earlier: disregard the cost of living, first of all you have to eat and sleep in the uk too and its even cheaper to live here!
So substracting travel you have still £40,000 left for type ratings and still be dual rated and probably with alot more hours through flight instructing too!
Hovering AND talking
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
Since you are certainly aware that there is no type rating necessary to fly aircraft under 12,500 lbs in the US, you could answer the question yourself: 0
With regards to cost of living, the accommodation premise only applies if one is renting in the UK AND is in a position to give up the lease on that property whilst abroad.
Cheers
Whirls
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From: The land of the cranberry
Wardy, nice one on getting a spot at Bristow. I definitely think you made a good choice to come here. I did the JAA integrated last year and then followed on with all the FAA stuff. The 2 year visa (if thats what you got) should allow you plenty of time to get a job here, at Bristow if you keep the head down and get on well, or somewhere else in the states. I did my PPL in Ireland and I find the level of professionalism much higher here. If you get a job here at BA, you might even get on the JAA side instructing, even if your FAA, they do a conversion course at the schools expense.When are you starting? I'll keep an eye out for ya, being a fellow culchie and all, not too far from your own doorstep either!!
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From: australia
Just a quick note on anyone thinking of coming to Aus, there is no doubt that this is a great place to fly (the lifestyle isnt too bad either ). HOWEVER, this is not the place to learn if you want to return to JAA land. It is cheaper to gain the basic CPL but the flying is completely different (much the same as South Africa).
Oh, you have to factor in the fact that as we are south of the equator, our blades rotate the other way
). HOWEVER, this is not the place to learn if you want to return to JAA land. It is cheaper to gain the basic CPL but the flying is completely different (much the same as South Africa). Oh, you have to factor in the fact that as we are south of the equator, our blades rotate the other way
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From: Emerald Isle
Air Corps
Cheers TransLift,I'm starting in November.Getting a few hours in a 300cbi sorted here before I go, and got my hands on a few books. Just trying to get a headstart. Delighted to hear there's another roaster gonna be over there!
Eurocopter Beans, I was going for the Air Corps this January past.Even got a tour of the place by a pilot I know up there. But they changed the enrollment procedure. So now, instead of applying for the Air Corps, you have to do a 2 year Cadetship and then pick what you want to do. It just means you're an officer when you start flying. I couldnt wait that long.
Eurocopter Beans, I was going for the Air Corps this January past.Even got a tour of the place by a pilot I know up there. But they changed the enrollment procedure. So now, instead of applying for the Air Corps, you have to do a 2 year Cadetship and then pick what you want to do. It just means you're an officer when you start flying. I couldnt wait that long.
