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What makes you think I am still there??? You are jumping to conclusions..
The reason you have never heard of the girl getting shot in the mall is that the UAE censors all media just like hard line communists. Your knowedge of UAE politics seems a little shallow. Check with the (Mohammed from Al Ain) police at the airport. They know the story.
Any pressure John was under the night of the accident is miniscule in comparison to the pressure he is under now to restart his heart. And what about the pressure his estate would be under to pay the legal bills to fend off a law suit from the Royal Family?
criminal negligence
noun(law) recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences)
Clearly this meets the definition.
The reason you have never heard of the girl getting shot in the mall is that the UAE censors all media just like hard line communists. Your knowedge of UAE politics seems a little shallow. Check with the (Mohammed from Al Ain) police at the airport. They know the story.
Any pressure John was under the night of the accident is miniscule in comparison to the pressure he is under now to restart his heart. And what about the pressure his estate would be under to pay the legal bills to fend off a law suit from the Royal Family?
criminal negligence
noun(law) recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences)
Clearly this meets the definition.
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I have not worked for ADA in the past, but have spent 9 years with Aerogulf.
I understand the pressure that John was under and the resultant chaos.
John...RIP and all understanding to his bereaved family and friends.
This kind of thing just happens, whatever anyone says, it's all hindsight. The reality is that decisions were made, ce la vie.
**** Happens.
I understand the pressure that John was under and the resultant chaos.
John...RIP and all understanding to his bereaved family and friends.
This kind of thing just happens, whatever anyone says, it's all hindsight. The reality is that decisions were made, ce la vie.
**** Happens.
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AW139.
Zalt,
My point exactly. The Bean Counters produce balance sheets that end up as black or red and no amount of argument or discussion will change that color. By then it is after the fact, and what we have to do is to make sure it does not happen again by changing the way we think.
The sooner pilots realise and understand that the buck stops with us the sooner the better.
John has paid the price, it is up to us, individually to continue the motion to ensure it was not in vain.
CMW.
My point exactly. The Bean Counters produce balance sheets that end up as black or red and no amount of argument or discussion will change that color. By then it is after the fact, and what we have to do is to make sure it does not happen again by changing the way we think.
The sooner pilots realise and understand that the buck stops with us the sooner the better.
John has paid the price, it is up to us, individually to continue the motion to ensure it was not in vain.
CMW.
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what makes me think you are still there is your location is listed as Abu Dhabi. And you really understand the politics there huh, as for me, 10 years long enough for you?
Cheers
what makes me think you are still there is your location is listed as Abu Dhabi. And you really understand the politics there huh, as for me, 10 years long enough for you?
Cheers
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I used to work for ADA some years ago, but I can not picture John.
Perhaps John Jr or someone (with approval) could post a photo of him ?
If this is not appropriate then I understand. Sincere condolonces to his family and friends.
Perhaps John Jr or someone (with approval) could post a photo of him ?
If this is not appropriate then I understand. Sincere condolonces to his family and friends.
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The Helikish pilots are so sorry to hear this sad news.RIF John, remembering those moments that I had meetings with John ,when he was chief pilot.My(Majid Aghighi )and all Iranian pilots condolences too to the famillies and the friends especilly to George Tucker ,Raman Oberoi.
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Shame this thread has gone quiet, I thought for sure that it would keep going until there was some answers, or at least rumours from those in the know. How quickly we forget.
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kflexer - It may have gone quiet but is not forgotten. Should there be nothing official I'm sure there may be an explanation by way of rumour forthcoming, but it may take a while.
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Investigation Report
Dear All
I would like to sympathised to all of this member and particularly to John T Hanley. GCAA can not publish report yet as it is still in final stage, GCAA is drafting the DRAFT final report and will be distributed as per ICAO Annex 13 to all concern and Part 830/831 as a guidance.
I know you must have heard rumours and majority is correct.
So to clarify your curiousity, It was human factor and there was sudden induced of rudder pedal in two step from neutral at 1700ft, to half and to full deflection in few seconds and there was a last correct recovery action to the but not enough height before entering in to CFIT.
I Hope this fact will clarify ambiguity.
regards
Az
I would like to sympathised to all of this member and particularly to John T Hanley. GCAA can not publish report yet as it is still in final stage, GCAA is drafting the DRAFT final report and will be distributed as per ICAO Annex 13 to all concern and Part 830/831 as a guidance.
I know you must have heard rumours and majority is correct.
So to clarify your curiousity, It was human factor and there was sudden induced of rudder pedal in two step from neutral at 1700ft, to half and to full deflection in few seconds and there was a last correct recovery action to the but not enough height before entering in to CFIT.
I Hope this fact will clarify ambiguity.
regards
Az
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2 Dogs,
Go back and have a look at the detail of the thread, its quite clear what the situation was. At some point in time an official report may be forthcoming though I personally will not hold my breath looking for it.
My deepest sympathy is with Johns family and the sadness that will continue.
As unfortunately happens in the area concerned, fact and fiction tend to be a confused issue and may result in a less than acceptable final report if and when it should surface.
outhouse
Go back and have a look at the detail of the thread, its quite clear what the situation was. At some point in time an official report may be forthcoming though I personally will not hold my breath looking for it.
My deepest sympathy is with Johns family and the sadness that will continue.
As unfortunately happens in the area concerned, fact and fiction tend to be a confused issue and may result in a less than acceptable final report if and when it should surface.
outhouse
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Outhouse ......
perhaps u should go back and read the thread.
Sounds fairly promising to me.
I read the thread and saw no mention of the Sheikh's qualifications.
In the ME do not members of the ruling class spend time with the Military, flying both jet fighters and helicopters? I believe several pilot their own machines on a regular basis. I was just enquiring as to whether HH Sheikh Nasser Bin Zayed Al Nahyan was maybe one of them.
Not an unreasonable question given the circumstances, surely?
perhaps u should go back and read the thread.
GCAA can not publish report yet as it is still in final stage, GCAA is drafting the DRAFT final report and will be distributed as per ICAO Annex 13 to all concern and Part 830/831 as a guidance.
I read the thread and saw no mention of the Sheikh's qualifications.
In the ME do not members of the ruling class spend time with the Military, flying both jet fighters and helicopters? I believe several pilot their own machines on a regular basis. I was just enquiring as to whether HH Sheikh Nasser Bin Zayed Al Nahyan was maybe one of them.
Not an unreasonable question given the circumstances, surely?
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