What would you choose, R22 or 300CBi if a similar price?
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I think usefull load in the CBI is 662lbs less the fuel at 192lbs leaves about 460lbs in round figures, enough room for two fat blokes or two normal people with lots in reserve. Left hand PIC is an option but i do not think it is feasable to try 3 up even if possible.
How effective is the STAR system? What sort of things go wrong with them? Lots of comments about 'niggles' and the aircraft going tech more than the R22's.
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How effective is the STAR system? What sort of things go wrong with them? Lots of comments about 'niggles' and the aircraft going tech more than the R22's.
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[Although most of us won't be able to afford it for the same reason that they went bust with all our hours
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forget the 22/300 debate, buy a nice 500D or E for us to SFH
...being serious for a second...how many hours a year did the 500 get for SFH or commercial work etc?
The average weight of the CBis in my database is 1184lbs (does include some two tankers). I'll seperate them out later, and update the figures but for the moment.
Leaves an average of 1750-1184 = 566lbs
Full Useable Fuel (32.5 us gals) = 195lbs.
371lbs for two people (or cargo !!!!!!)
Two 185lb guys and full fuel.
or two 220lb guys and 21 gals of fuel, plenty for a 1.5 hour training sortie and still be within the weight limits.
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Leaves an average of 1750-1184 = 566lbs
Full Useable Fuel (32.5 us gals) = 195lbs.
371lbs for two people (or cargo !!!!!!)
Two 185lb guys and full fuel.
or two 220lb guys and 21 gals of fuel, plenty for a 1.5 hour training sortie and still be within the weight limits.
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2) Tried that one once... see above!
3) Honestly - not many. VNE may know better, but I think the 500 is a bit of a no-goer for commercial work (cramped and noisy in the back) aside maybe for long lining??? (The pros can chip in here)
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Think the 206 or 206L is the only option for turbine still....but thats another story....I am very happy with the feedabck for the 300CBi, think they are great! hope i do not lose a fortune 
. I would get great pleasure in putting a decent machine out there at a decent price. Just hope the 'niggles' stay away if there are any!!
. I would get great pleasure in putting a decent machine out there at a decent price. Just hope the 'niggles' stay away if there are any!!
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Schweizer 300 or Robinson R22???
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I am thinking of starting my helicopter PPL. Although people keep recomending the R22 and Schweizer 300. Which type do people would be the best for me to train on??
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I am thinking of starting my helicopter PPL. Although people keep recomending the R22 and Schweizer 300. Which type do people would be the best for me to train on??
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The S.300 - especially the 300/269 'C' is in another league to the R22.
When I first considered learning to fly helicopters I asked the same question. I tried all the various options, inc turbines, but it was the 300'C' that I most enjoyed, backed up by lots of professional advice
In fact, liked it so much that I eventually bought one to learn on. Later went Turbine but kept the 300'C' for another year. Regretted selling it, so bought another
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It's a proper helicopter, designed and engineered for purpose with proper controls, rotorhead, lots of power and safety and fantastic fun to fly. Not fast and not much luggage space (although I bought cargo racks) but spacious inside.
They are expensive though - a new S.300'C' is much the same as a new R44 and they are quite rare in the UK. More popular in hotter/higher climates where they need the power.
Originally designed by Hughes for the US Army (30,000 pilots were trained on the TH-55s) then taken over by Schweizer who are owned by Sikorsky.
Definitely recommended
When I first considered learning to fly helicopters I asked the same question. I tried all the various options, inc turbines, but it was the 300'C' that I most enjoyed, backed up by lots of professional advice
In fact, liked it so much that I eventually bought one to learn on. Later went Turbine but kept the 300'C' for another year. Regretted selling it, so bought another
.It's a proper helicopter, designed and engineered for purpose with proper controls, rotorhead, lots of power and safety and fantastic fun to fly. Not fast and not much luggage space (although I bought cargo racks) but spacious inside.
They are expensive though - a new S.300'C' is much the same as a new R44 and they are quite rare in the UK. More popular in hotter/higher climates where they need the power.
Originally designed by Hughes for the US Army (30,000 pilots were trained on the TH-55s) then taken over by Schweizer who are owned by Sikorsky.
Definitely recommended
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Although one has a soft spot for a Schweizer very local to you, I would recommend you learn on the type which you intend to fly after you have your PPL.
So, if you plan to buy an R22, learn on one; similarly for Schweizer, R44 etc. If you plan to self fly hire after, which types are nearest to where you live; for Norwich, I would guess your nearest schools, at the moment, are Aeromega in Cambridge or Helicentre at Leicester.
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So, if you plan to buy an R22, learn on one; similarly for Schweizer, R44 etc. If you plan to self fly hire after, which types are nearest to where you live; for Norwich, I would guess your nearest schools, at the moment, are Aeromega in Cambridge or Helicentre at Leicester.
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Thanks guys! well my aim is to go commercial as I may of had an offer in the works, the nearest to me is sterling helicopters, but im sure you know as well as I do they could may not be an option but will have to see how that pans out
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Schweizer 300 or R-22
Looking for a helicopter flight school in southern Calif. Any advice from past students? And S-300 or R-22 for training? Looking for a private add on.
If you value your life i would go for the S300 ...an excellent machine with no neg G death sentence ..
ps i have flown a 22 once and was scared . I have instructed in the S300.
ps i have flown a 22 once and was scared . I have instructed in the S300.
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personally i would recommend LA Helicopters based at Long Beach airport, good airport for training with a good group of guys and well maintained aircraft.
R22 would be my choice but i think that LAH have both to choose from.
Chester
R22 would be my choice but i think that LAH have both to choose from.
Chester
Solo,
Both aircraft have their advantages and disadvantages.
Having flown both i would personally go for the S300 for training. I find it to be a more stable aircraft which is handy for training and is ultimately more forgiving. I trained in a 22 and respect the little guy and am by no means a member of the '22 bashing club'.
Differences:
R22 advantages - Faster cruise speed, governed.
R22 disadvantages - Twitchy, mast bumping, rotor inertia, cramped.
S300 advantages - More responsive, more stable, cabin room, skid dampers.
S300 disadvantages - Cruise speed, non governed, ground resonance.
Have fun!
LZ
Both aircraft have their advantages and disadvantages.
Having flown both i would personally go for the S300 for training. I find it to be a more stable aircraft which is handy for training and is ultimately more forgiving. I trained in a 22 and respect the little guy and am by no means a member of the '22 bashing club'.
Differences:
R22 advantages - Faster cruise speed, governed.
R22 disadvantages - Twitchy, mast bumping, rotor inertia, cramped.
S300 advantages - More responsive, more stable, cabin room, skid dampers.
S300 disadvantages - Cruise speed, non governed, ground resonance.
Have fun!
LZ
I see the 300 not having a governor as an advantage because the student learns the motor skills necessary to completely control the machine. Comes in handy once you have to manually fly a turbine without cooking it.
To be fair ground resonance is not a fault of the helicopter .....thats like saying a car with a flat tyre handles badly 
GR only occurs when the oleos have not been checked and are low . Otherwise a good assessment of their qualities ......for me 3 blades is 50% better than 2 .!!
GR only occurs when the oleos have not been checked and are low . Otherwise a good assessment of their qualities ......for me 3 blades is 50% better than 2 .!!
Like you LZ I completed the Private on the R22 and loved every minute of it. Now flying the CBi when money allows, excellent machine. I prefer to manually control the Throttle than have the Governor do it like the 22 as I have complete Control of the machine. I believe all the folks on here who started out in Bell 47s and the older Hughes Models had to manually work the Throttle during the training.
Solo, If your just going for the Private License I would pick the Schweizer.
Solo, If your just going for the Private License I would pick the Schweizer.
Good Grief ....therefore any 3 bladed system has this fault . It can occur if on rough ground but i still reckon v unlikely if well maintained . Same with Gazelle / 350 etc etc
nigelh....there are incorrect statements here:
Hence my previous post.
It can occur on any ground. I show it to you on a grass runway as well as an asphalt or concrete runway.
I like the 300 much better than the R22. In my opinion the 300 makes the better pilot, technique wise.
GR only occurs when the oleos have not been checked and are low
It can occur if on rough ground...
I like the 300 much better than the R22. In my opinion the 300 makes the better pilot, technique wise.
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