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To what extent can the rules be waived for agreeable applicants/proposals.
The only time I got one, I was really pleased with myself. Then the Met police put restricted airspace right in that area, which stopped me using it, even once.
XX: I don't think any of us here work for CAA SRG. They are the ones who can answer your questions with authority (unless they say "get your own legal advice" which is the standard answer to any question which threatens their pension...)
Your state of mind worries me. "Very unlikely to crash" isn't an expression I've ever encountered with regard to permissions/exemptions. Are you sure you took Aviation Law in your PPL ?
You must read Rule 5 before you even attempt to ask for a CAA Exemption. So get CAP 393 in pdf form and search for rule 5. And do some searches for Exemptions.
You seem to have shifted your interest in landing sites from helicopter to Jodel FW. Different kettle of fish. FW treated differently in our only Class A space. Helicopters derive great benefit from NATS-issued Non Standard Flight permissions. Since a Cessna single overflew the West End towing a banner a few Christmases ago I believe the answer to FW singles asking for an NSF over a lot of London is no.
Your state of mind worries me. "Very unlikely to crash" isn't an expression I've ever encountered with regard to permissions/exemptions. Are you sure you took Aviation Law in your PPL ?
You must read Rule 5 before you even attempt to ask for a CAA Exemption. So get CAP 393 in pdf form and search for rule 5. And do some searches for Exemptions.
You seem to have shifted your interest in landing sites from helicopter to Jodel FW. Different kettle of fish. FW treated differently in our only Class A space. Helicopters derive great benefit from NATS-issued Non Standard Flight permissions. Since a Cessna single overflew the West End towing a banner a few Christmases ago I believe the answer to FW singles asking for an NSF over a lot of London is no.
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JimBall: With respect, you are over-analysing my phraseology. When I say "less likely to crash" I am of course referring to the fact single engine aircraft are not permitted over central london.
My original curiousity was to ascertain if private heli flights are permitted special exceptions in the heathrow zone, how this is arranged, and if there any practical differences between the exemptions process for helicopters and the process for fixed wing. Question answered anyway, thank-you.
I may well be rusty on certain aspects of air law, I did it 12 years ago! Thanks for pointing that out anyway.
Anyway, I'll sign out on this thread before it descends into an unnecessary but typical Pprune slanging match.
My original curiousity was to ascertain if private heli flights are permitted special exceptions in the heathrow zone, how this is arranged, and if there any practical differences between the exemptions process for helicopters and the process for fixed wing. Question answered anyway, thank-you.
I may well be rusty on certain aspects of air law, I did it 12 years ago! Thanks for pointing that out anyway.
Anyway, I'll sign out on this thread before it descends into an unnecessary but typical Pprune slanging match.
XX, without being a pedant
That isn't the truth. The rules state "glide clear" for FW over any congested area - so it's a pilot decision. You have 2400ft of altitude available - what is your glide ratio ?
And SEPs aren't permitted over Central London, how do you account for the Reds, the BBMF etc. ? Did you see the Red Bull air race in Docklands last year ?
When I say "less likely to crash" I am of course referring to the fact single engine aircraft are not permitted over central london.
And SEPs aren't permitted over Central London, how do you account for the Reds, the BBMF etc. ? Did you see the Red Bull air race in Docklands last year ?
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I re-iterate;
"Anyway, I'll sign out on this thread before it descends into an unnecessary but typical Pprune slanging match."
Otherwise you just end up in "thats not exactly what I meant" / " but thats what you said " / "yes, but you were taking it too literally" type exchange from which I derive little enjoyment to be honest. Thanks for an interesting thread up to this point anyway. All the best.
"Anyway, I'll sign out on this thread before it descends into an unnecessary but typical Pprune slanging match."
Otherwise you just end up in "thats not exactly what I meant" / " but thats what you said " / "yes, but you were taking it too literally" type exchange from which I derive little enjoyment to be honest. Thanks for an interesting thread up to this point anyway. All the best.
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And SEPs aren't permitted over Central London, how do you account for the Reds, the BBMF etc. ?
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And SEPs aren't permitted over Central London, how do you account for the Reds, the BBMF etc. ?
To what extent can the rules be waived for agreeable applicants/proposals.
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Chuffer, you missed the point of my quote, I'm afraid.
Pedantry reared its head, so I couldn't help joining in the fun..... What does SEP mean?
Pedantry reared its head, so I couldn't help joining in the fun..... What does SEP mean?
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Sorry, just pressed the wrong button while editing a spolling error..
MAN CTR SFC-3500' is [D]. LONDON CTR SFC-2500' is [A].
