World shortage of rotary pilots
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World shortage of rotary pilots
Not sure if anyone else saw any of the articles floating around a year or so ago that quoted the reason for the alleged shortage as the mandatory retirement of the last of the Vietnam era US pilots.
I found this a bit unlikely until I read the figures (this is from memory):
in 1973 the US military had, in all four services (counting the Marines as a seperate entity) over 40,000 active helicopter pilots (the word used was aircrew so not sure if this includes crew chiefs, gunners and winchmen etc).
By 1978 they had less than 8,000. Whilst this gap has been partially closed by the wholesale adoption of air-mobility they've never since got anywhere near the numbers of pilots seen during the Vietnam conflict.
Those pilots who left in the mid-70s were able to fill the rapidly-expanding commercial rotary industry but the recent loss of the same pilots has led to vacancies arising in great numbers in the US resulting in those recently qualified Americans who'd been forced to look abroad for work heading home and therefore leaving great big gaps in the job-market in the still-growing overseas industries.
Good news for the newbies and those fancying a change of climate but are there more serious, long-term implications?
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I found this a bit unlikely until I read the figures (this is from memory):
in 1973 the US military had, in all four services (counting the Marines as a seperate entity) over 40,000 active helicopter pilots (the word used was aircrew so not sure if this includes crew chiefs, gunners and winchmen etc).
By 1978 they had less than 8,000. Whilst this gap has been partially closed by the wholesale adoption of air-mobility they've never since got anywhere near the numbers of pilots seen during the Vietnam conflict.
Those pilots who left in the mid-70s were able to fill the rapidly-expanding commercial rotary industry but the recent loss of the same pilots has led to vacancies arising in great numbers in the US resulting in those recently qualified Americans who'd been forced to look abroad for work heading home and therefore leaving great big gaps in the job-market in the still-growing overseas industries.
Good news for the newbies and those fancying a change of climate but are there more serious, long-term implications?
Just one to knock around the crewroom...... hang on, that sounds like a thirsty paramedic; kettle duties call!
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Offshore operators are running scared
Bristow recently bought HAI and another school located in Louisiana. They are concerned about the pipeline (no pun intended) of new pilots to service their offshore oil contracts. They are not acquiring flight schools out of kindness of their heart but it all has to do with money. They have to have pilots to service their contracts otherwise it will go to another company.
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IMHO, there is no shortage of pilotes. There is ,however, a shortage of qualified pilots worldwide. And ,as ATPMBA, put it , since it is about the money, guess what the companies do? they try to reduce the gap between the low qualified and the need to fill their cockpits by reducing the standards for hiring. We are seeing this in the US today and it will get worse before it levels off.I am not sure if it will get better.
I maybe wrong, but if the companies were willing to pay what should be paid, there wouldn't be a shortage.
Interesting times, indeed.
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I maybe wrong, but if the companies were willing to pay what should be paid, there wouldn't be a shortage.
Interesting times, indeed.
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I maybe wrong, but if the companies were willing to pay what should be paid, there wouldn't be a shortage.
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If I had a pound every time someone trotted out the whole "vietnam era pilots retiring, world pilot shortage" story, I'd be a rich man. Every flight school will tell you this myth.
What that don't tell you is there is only a shortage of people with JAA ATPL/IR, IR experience, 1,000 hours turbine, 1,000 hours twin, 500 night, 500 low-level etc. Mainly because it costs £100,000 to get into that position (or ex-mil experience/contacts), and operators are not willing to invest in pilots. Hence the shortage.
What that don't tell you is there is only a shortage of people with JAA ATPL/IR, IR experience, 1,000 hours turbine, 1,000 hours twin, 500 night, 500 low-level etc. Mainly because it costs £100,000 to get into that position (or ex-mil experience/contacts), and operators are not willing to invest in pilots. Hence the shortage.
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Someone who has decided to bite the bullet and (part) sponsor is Bond helicopters with their cadet programme.
Could it be something to do with their plans for expansion? Were they concerned about not being able to fill the seats? Or is that completely ludicrous and there are plenty self-sponsored people sitting at home with their ATPL/IR?
Could it be something to do with their plans for expansion? Were they concerned about not being able to fill the seats? Or is that completely ludicrous and there are plenty self-sponsored people sitting at home with their ATPL/IR?
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To be fair, some operators are willing to invest time and money on inexperienced guys. It's a very small group, but they are out there (and not necessarily offshore either).
That said luck is still the biggest deciding factor in getting that first and/or desirable job
That said luck is still the biggest deciding factor in getting that first and/or desirable job
To reinforce FW's point, have a look at the current ads on Flight Global. One of the UK onshore charter companies (with a certain Egyptian flavour) is currently looking for a FO. Minimum requirement is just a CPL/IR(H).
Cost of IR(H)
How much money are you talking about with an IR(H) JAA? I`ve heard it`s expensive but never exact figures. But nevertheless it sounds like an profitable investment when it comes to Northsea job prospects.
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If you don't already have a twin rating, about 35-40k
B73, I can think of two other companies (aside from the one you mention) who've heavily invested in a few low hours guys. In fact even your current employer has funded an IR before.
There are some very good/decent companies out there. As well as th sharks
B73, I can think of two other companies (aside from the one you mention) who've heavily invested in a few low hours guys. In fact even your current employer has funded an IR before.
There are some very good/decent companies out there. As well as th sharks
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malc4d: Hmmm how does it go . .. . . . . . To get a job you need hours, to get the hours you need a job. So please tell, how the F%^"k do you get those 2000 hours muti IR turbine without somebody hiring you ?????
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What you might prefer will almost certainly never happen that is unless you have already a pretty good CV but that sounds unlikely.
I think the current position is a pretty good filter. Only those that can swim upstream fast enough manage to spawn. Keeps the gene pool viable.
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I think the current position is a pretty good filter. Only those that can swim upstream fast enough manage to spawn. Keeps the gene pool viable.
That's hardly right. All it means is that mostly those with rich parents/ex-mil-time get the decent jobs.
That's hardly right. All it means is that mostly those with rich parents/ex-mil-time get the decent jobs.
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Why are you lumping those with rich parents and those with ex-mil time together?
I am often quite surprised by the hostility I sometimes witness to ex-mil types in this industry - I taken it some had a unsuccessful attempt at Biggin Hill/Cranwell and now want to take it out on those who were successful. If you think devoting 16 Years of your life to a) Supposedly defending freedom (Although it could be argued that these days that is debatable) b) Being sent to anywhere in the world for an undisclosed amount of time at the whim of a low intelligence politician c) Moving house every three years to keep you on your toes are easy options then I despair!!!
I am often quite surprised by the hostility I sometimes witness to ex-mil types in this industry - I taken it some had a unsuccessful attempt at Biggin Hill/Cranwell and now want to take it out on those who were successful. If you think devoting 16 Years of your life to a) Supposedly defending freedom (Although it could be argued that these days that is debatable) b) Being sent to anywhere in the world for an undisclosed amount of time at the whim of a low intelligence politician c) Moving house every three years to keep you on your toes are easy options then I despair!!!
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No rich parents for me either. Not ex mil. Self funded JAA PPL(H)/CPL(H)/FI and MEIR over a five year period, and all in the UK. Expensive yes, impossible no.
Worked as an FI for 12 months before completing the MEIR rating. I was LUCKY and was employed post IR within three months, I had just over 800TT.
There are heli companies who employ FO's. Most insist on an IR to be considered - very few will help fund it.
B73 has even hinted at a possible direction for that all important first good opportunity, if you have the required qualifications.
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No rich parents for me either. Not ex mil. Self funded JAA PPL(H)/CPL(H)/FI and MEIR over a five year period, and all in the UK. Expensive yes, impossible no.
Worked as an FI for 12 months before completing the MEIR rating. I was LUCKY and was employed post IR within three months, I had just over 800TT.
There are heli companies who employ FO's. Most insist on an IR to be considered - very few will help fund it.
B73 has even hinted at a possible direction for that all important first good opportunity, if you have the required qualifications.
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There is, of course, another possibility? Go to university, get a good degree, work hard in a lucrative industry, receive diverse pay-offs through redundancies and take-overs, sell house in ridiculously expensive area of country and move somewhere cheap, realising enough through savings and capital to fund up to FI!
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One suggestion - try and find work with an AOC operator/Flying School who operate twins. Although they will obviously have IR pilots on the books, there is still plenty of twin AOC work which is VFR. Do a deal with them on your initial twin rating and then start 'building' your twin time that way. After a few hundred hours on type, an IR is the next logical step.
IIRC, Cabair recently type-rated a number of SE FIs on the AS355 due to a pilot shortage.
IIRC, Cabair recently type-rated a number of SE FIs on the AS355 due to a pilot shortage.
And it's not just the offshore operators who do this. See my post (#10) above for more details. (I'm not allowed to post a direct link to the job ad, I'm afraid. Advertising rules etc.)
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There is, of course, another possibility? Go to university, get a good degree, work hard in a lucrative industry, receive diverse pay-offs through redundancies and take-overs, sell house in ridiculously expensive area of country and move somewhere cheap, realising enough through savings and capital to fund up to FI!
Seriously, that was my point though. Any shortage of pilots is going to be not because the jobs aren't paid well enough at the end of it, but that it's still THE only job I can think of off the top of my head where aside from joining the military you're expected to pay a big chunk of £100k to train yourself.
I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing, and neither am I bitching, it's just the way it is. The result though is that I really can't see there being a real 'shortage'. All a company would have to do is offer training and bang, they've got pilots. Inexperienced to start with maybe, but as long as there's enough experienced ones to go with them, c'est la vie
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Can someone explain to me then why Bonds recent sponsorship scheme required people with no flying experience?
If its about money, and it is, there are lots of PPL's, CPL's out there who would have cost £50,000 less to achieve a CPL IR state and therefore be employable!
Does anyone know why they did this???
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If its about money, and it is, there are lots of PPL's, CPL's out there who would have cost £50,000 less to achieve a CPL IR state and therefore be employable!
Does anyone know why they did this???
MADY