Informal heli nights UK (including arrangements)
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Hi Paco,
Will this be available for those mid way through their PPL(H). Probably about 25 hours ?? I understand if spaces are tight and better utilised elsewhere !
Thanks.
Will this be available for those mid way through their PPL(H). Probably about 25 hours ?? I understand if spaces are tight and better utilised elsewhere !
Thanks.
A huge thanks to Heli services for the use of their procedural trainer. Some people are going to find out just how long you'll survive when flying into cloud without full training and certification. Phil, maybe you could set up a scenario, bad viz, rain increasing, low cloud, high ground then some fog perhaps? Have a competition to see who can survive longest. Can't see anyone actually surviving and landing safely. 
Can't remember actually seeing much of the visual cues when I was in that thing for 40 hours!!!
Can you let me know a date to see if I can make it, thanks.
Can't remember actually seeing much of the visual cues when I was in that thing for 40 hours!!!
Can you let me know a date to see if I can make it, thanks.
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Sim Night...
Hi Phil,
I would love a test on that sim...is it strictly only PPL(H)s...? Please let me know if numbers might let me on..
I did some self testing on MS2004 in the R22 in zero viz... rain mist et al... I now manage to land a few times... hovering requires monitoring of heading, Alt and speed at a fast rate as well as the usual intsrmnts...VSI too slow.. But hovering is not practical anyway but bit of fun
... one trick to landing was using a VOR site as they always have clearance around them for an approach and slow run on... 15-20 knot approach allowed for emergency braking/ turning due objects.
<No implication that this would work in real life implied
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I would love a test on that sim...is it strictly only PPL(H)s...? Please let me know if numbers might let me on..
I did some self testing on MS2004 in the R22 in zero viz... rain mist et al... I now manage to land a few times... hovering requires monitoring of heading, Alt and speed at a fast rate as well as the usual intsrmnts...VSI too slow.. But hovering is not practical anyway but bit of fun
... one trick to landing was using a VOR site as they always have clearance around them for an approach and slow run on... 15-20 knot approach allowed for emergency braking/ turning due objects.<No implication that this would work in real life implied
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K48,
Think you'll find that the whole idea behind these safety evenings is to stop advice like that
Mimimum IMC speeds would negate the hovering in absolutely zero viz. As would minimums during an IMC approach. There are no 'tricks' to IFR flying
Fairly sure that the Sim offer is to show a brief taste to non IR holders the differences between VMC and IMC flying, and to try and provide some knowledgeable guidance on how to think and act before actually going IMC. It's all a bit too late by the time the windows have all gone a dull grey colour
Just reassure me that you don't seriously think MSFS as a sole training aid will help you get out of a situation you shouldn't be in anyway
I did some self testing on MS2004 in the R22 in zero viz... rain mist et al... I now manage to land a few times... hovering requires monitoring of heading, Alt and speed at a fast rate as well as the usual intsrmnts...VSI too slow.. But hovering is not practical anyway... one trick to landing was using a VOR site as they always have clearance around them for an approach and slow run on... 15-20 knot approach allowed for emergency braking/ turning due objects
Mimimum IMC speeds would negate the hovering in absolutely zero viz. As would minimums during an IMC approach. There are no 'tricks' to IFR flying
Fairly sure that the Sim offer is to show a brief taste to non IR holders the differences between VMC and IMC flying, and to try and provide some knowledgeable guidance on how to think and act before actually going IMC. It's all a bit too late by the time the windows have all gone a dull grey colour
Just reassure me that you don't seriously think MSFS as a sole training aid will help you get out of a situation you shouldn't be in anyway
A bit tough there sliding doors as the sim is actually the Microsoft FS 2002 software!! 
Good advice as for not trying it out for real after a few practice PC sessions though!
Having now done an IR, I can't believe some of the weather people still continue to launch off in without an IR themselves or an IFR aircraft.
Hopefully this will be an eye opener.
Good advice as for not trying it out for real after a few practice PC sessions though!
Having now done an IR, I can't believe some of the weather people still continue to launch off in without an IR themselves or an IFR aircraft.
Hopefully this will be an eye opener.
As would minimums during an IMC approach. There are no 'tricks' to IFR flying
Wish I could have made the Redhill meet.
Progress
The last few days have been quite productive.
A few vague details to protect the guilty.
We've got another two aviation related agencies involved this week.
We have another (in addition to Helicopter Services offer to Phil) IR Sim operator who will let use their sim for an evening put on a presentation at their facility or somewhere nearby on the airfield.
We now have a venue close to Bristol.
We've also got some aviation press coverage coming soon.
I managed to catch up with Paco at his office this afternoon, and he has given me some more of the videos he uses in his CRM courses. I am just collecting as many accident reports related to them now as I can, so we know what really happened.
The reason I am being vague about people and organisations is just because I tend to get home to a load of emails at the end of a flying week, and I can't tell the people concerned that I am taliking about them in public and I would prefer they knew beforehand.
Form the emails I have received through the heli safety site and PMs on PPrune i expect 30+ guys on the 14th.
To give you an idea of interest in the project the site has had 1100 individual visitors in the last month.
Cheers
GS
A few vague details to protect the guilty.
We've got another two aviation related agencies involved this week.
We have another (in addition to Helicopter Services offer to Phil) IR Sim operator who will let use their sim for an evening put on a presentation at their facility or somewhere nearby on the airfield.
We now have a venue close to Bristol.
We've also got some aviation press coverage coming soon.
I managed to catch up with Paco at his office this afternoon, and he has given me some more of the videos he uses in his CRM courses. I am just collecting as many accident reports related to them now as I can, so we know what really happened.
The reason I am being vague about people and organisations is just because I tend to get home to a load of emails at the end of a flying week, and I can't tell the people concerned that I am taliking about them in public and I would prefer they knew beforehand.
Form the emails I have received through the heli safety site and PMs on PPrune i expect 30+ guys on the 14th.
To give you an idea of interest in the project the site has had 1100 individual visitors in the last month.
Cheers
GS
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Gary (& Phil & others)
Thanks for all your hard (unpaid) work on this. It's obviously an idea whose time has come and, you never know, it just might start happening abroad as well!
I note in at least 2 of Phils' books that he bemoans the lack of opportunity for heli pilots to just get together and "chew the fat" compared to the plank boys and just maybe you've hit on the solution.
Thanks again
Ian.
Thanks for all your hard (unpaid) work on this. It's obviously an idea whose time has come and, you never know, it just might start happening abroad as well!
I note in at least 2 of Phils' books that he bemoans the lack of opportunity for heli pilots to just get together and "chew the fat" compared to the plank boys and just maybe you've hit on the solution.
Thanks again
Ian.
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There will be a Dunkeswell or Bristol South hopefully within the next month.
Also possibly Gloucester not too long after.
Looking at Doncaster 1st or 2nd of May as a possibility also.
Gary
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Also possibly Gloucester not too long after.
Looking at Doncaster 1st or 2nd of May as a possibility also.
Gary
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I also might be able to make Doncaster, subject to being at the correct end of the UK! 
