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Old 9th Jan 2008, 00:25
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December! My girls were part of the screaming audience at his practice....


They told me he was handsome. And they wanted to know why he took his shirt off. (they're only young.... they have sooo much to learn!)
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It really depends on whether or not you can afford it. I believe the average is approx 70 - 80 hours ( but i stand corrected on this ).

Then you may wish to take additional training after you get your licence.

I did a 44 conversion straight away and fly once a month with an instructor practising autos and improving general handling.

I found the whole SFH thing quite strange to begin as you really have to have targets to aim for otherwise your flying suffers. I started visiting airfields i knew from my training and cross country and then visited a couple of new ones, gradually flying further.

Carrying passengers is also a whole new ball game. Apart from their nervousness at being a passenger in something like a 22 its their mate/relative etc flying them and they know you've only just qualified.

After 12 months i'm not sure i would tackle something like Silverstone without being accompanied. Its more expensive to have someone sat next to you but you may feel its well worth it !

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Oh no, we are up to 80 hours now, any advance on that.............working it out that totals £20,000............not sure if I can afford that, especially as I don't have any sort of major plan for when I do actually pass!
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...and that's not including books and equipment, cost of medicals, exam fees, skills test fee and CAA licence fees. These all mount up as well.

The figures given are realistic; anything else would not be fair. How many hours do you have so far? That might be a guide as to how soon you could pass. You may have a natural aptitude for it or, like most, there will be aspects with which you will struggle.

There are other options; go to the States for a couple of months and learn full-time at a JAA school, return to the UK and just get checked out. However, this is not without its pitfalls and needs to be researched and costed carefully.

As a guide, I did my PPL on a Schweizer 300C (not one of the cheapest trainers) full time in 2003 in the UK. Shortly afterwards, I totted up everything it cost me (including all fees, books, accommodation etc) and I spent just over £21,000.

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For what it's worth, I took around 55 hours from scratch, flying once a week, over slightly more than a year. This includes 3 aborted tests (for weather) which include pre-test polish. I've never flown a fixed wing in my life (they make me air-sick, sadly).

You should have some idea of how long you'll need by the time you hit 20 hours or so; if you're really struggling, you should probably budget a bit longer. Also, as has already been pointed out, the more training you can get into a shorter period of time, the less time you'll have to spend re-learning stuff. Flying about an hour every week, I was spending the first chunk of every lesson relearning what was covered last week. If you could fly, say 3 or 4 times a week, you will get through in lower hours - I only did the 1/week plan because that was the most I could afford. To this end, it's probably good idea to save up initially rather than rushing straight in and doing things in dribs and drabs, assuming you can wait that long
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I spent about the £20K mark so maybe a figure to work around.

There are plenty of people done it in less hours than the average and indeed many who have taken well over 100 hours.

I aimed at one hour a week though towards the end of the course weather played apart and i found it more beneficial ( but alot more expensive ) to have a weekend with 2 or 3 hours training.
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There's another way of looking at all this....

What do you do for pleasure/relaxation now? You're not on the breadline, so presumably it costs money. I assume that on at least one day off a week, you go out and have a good time. Maybe it doesn't cost quite as much as an hour's helicopter flying, but it costs. And have you ever worked out what that costs you over a year? I bet you haven't.

So, now assume that you'll do an hour's helicopter flying a week, for around a year. During that day, as well as flying, you'll drive to the airfield, check the weather, learn a bit of theory, chat to people, look at helicopters, etc etc. It'll be a fantastic day which you'll look forward to all week - if it isn't, pack in this whole idea now! And after you've got your PPL(H), you'll do the same thing, although maybe marginally less often, and it'll cost you a tiny bit less per hour. After all, if you're not going to do that, why bother to get a licence.

So, do you have the time, money and inclination for helicopter flying to become a part of your life in this way? If so, why does it matter how many hours it takes you? If not, forget it and go take up golf or something!
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Whirlybird, you couldn't have put it better.

Not wanting to tell everyone my financial situation of course but i'm a Freelance Television Outside Broadcast Sound Engineer mainly covering sport and football in particular, therefore the pay isn't bad and the hours of work are mainly on a weekend so plenty of time off midweek, presumably the quietest time at a Flying School too?

As mentioned I don't drink, smoke or have a family or any other expensive habits although I do own a racing car but that doesn't cost that much too run.

Having said that I do seem to have an Ebay addiction, I buy 70's toys and F1 Memorabilia and watches for some reason, I just love watches!

However all that is stopping this New Year and my aim is to sell, not buy and i've already got 40 items up for auction!

SO, I definately have the time and inclination and, now that i've stopped wasting my money on Ebay, the finances too!

And you're right, its a hell of a day out!

Oh, and did I mention I live 5 minutes from the Airport!!!!
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I endorse what Pandalet said. It took me 63 hours including the skills test over 2 years (2004 - 2005) as that was the only way I could fit it in and it cost me £16800 all in . I could have done it in less time and money if I'd kept to under 9 months and flown twice a week or more.

As for what to do after getting your PPL(H) I aim to fly 15 to 20 hours per year for pleasure (much less in 2007 - bu**er of a year!). I know people who spend more than that on golf or clay shooting!

Whatever you decide to do - enjoy it!

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Old 9th Jan 2008, 20:07
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Hi there
Thought I would ask.
Is it not an option to safe up your money and go to some where like the Bristow Academy in Florida and do your PPL. Would that not be cheaper and you could all being well complete the course closer to the 45hrs mark give or take extra hours. I hear they have a good reputation.
Good luck ether way
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Yeah, good point but being Freelance I need to take all of the work that i'm offered to pay for it and as I have plenty of time off during the week and only live 5 minutes from the airport, I doing it locally means I don't have to turn ANY work down whereas I would have to if I travelled abroad to do it!
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Hallo out there ... Perhaps some notes from a fairly experienced FI will help our newcomer heli pilots.

I'm virtually retired from full time instruction now, but checking through my log going back to the mid 1970s, I find I've trained 164 pilots from scratch to the PPL (H) standard. In the early years the CAA syllabus for an 'approved' school - was 35 hours with a five hour reduction for a PPL A holder. I particularly recall training a fix wing potato farmer from the wilds of Norfolk in 30 hours and ten flying days.

At the other end of the scale, I have a few pilots who went to 100 hours at which point I stopped taking their money. Oddly enough, one was an Enstrom purchaser who on his first day's training actually said to his nearest ... If I do well today I might be able to bring the heli back home tonight! (true)

A few ppruners will know I run a helicopter scholarship for youngsters and the last three winners qualified as follows. Zoe Spain - 48 hours in 24 flying days. Hannah Nobbs - 46 hours in 27 flying days and Georgie Dixon to completion of solo qualifying cross country standard in 49 hours and 24 flying days to date.

My training records show, there are dozens of pilots who have completed the CAA course in under four weeks.

Now the interesting thing about most of these is they were all able to undertake a concentrated course flying 2 to 3 hours a day on a six day week basis over four weeks or so and in the summer.

Added to this, I'd like to think I take my pilots to a standard fairly well beyond the basic CAA syllabus, (at least 20 or so student flown full stop engine off landings to the ground, and when hours and time permit, a selection of tail rotor failures, nicely developed Vortex Ring and and the other likely emergencies.

I would emphasise that the helicopter used has been the Hughes/Schweizer/Sikorsky 300 and I don't think I could replicate the above results in an R22, although I'm sure the really experienced guys can.

However in common with our training industry, the bulk of my clients training over a longer period flying perhaps one or two hours each week, will almost always require the oft quoted 50-60 hours plus.

So what I will say to our very welcome newcomers is - especially those on a set budget ... try to arrange your PPL(H) course on a continuous flying basis and given a reasonable level of aptitude and dedication to the task, it is possible to get the licence in around £13,000 to £15,000 including VAT.

You do need to establish a good 'rapport' with your FI and contrary to what has been suggested on this thread, I believe it is important to be trained by one instructor if possible. Multiple instructors ... a definite 'yes' - but AFTER you have obtained the basic licence.

A further aspect, I'd like to mention is ... the aptitude test.

A specific trial lesson with the CFI at your local school can reveal all. But you need to make it clear you are seeking some idea of your flying aptitude and an assessment of your hours requirement. This will change the nature of the trial lesson you receive, which should be at least one hour.

There's no guarantee of course, but an experienced instructor can usually give you some flying hours requirement for the PPL(H) and guidance to help with your budgetting.

A few months ago, I produced an article for the aviation LOOP newspaper on the subject .... 'Choosing a helicopter school' There's plenty of tips there to help with your choice of a school. See www.loop.aero. Subscription is free!

Finally a few words on helmets. Well every kind of sense says a solid 'Yes' but we are in a commercial business and I'd not be too happy to jump aboard a BA triple seven to see the flight crew donned in flame proof suits and bone domes.

As has been said here, we pilots don't wear survival clothing when we drive and I take the view the same principle must apply to our private flying.

Luckily or otherwise, I haven't suffered an engine failure in almost 40 years and 13,000 flying hours, so neither am I prepared to spend the next forty years or so studiously avoiding the height/velocity curve on every take off and landing, which H/V curve by the way is neither a 'dead man's curve nor an 'avoid area'

For we private flyers ... it is "The area of extra caution"

Look at it that way and fly it that way.

Oh and just to finally say ... the above is not a punt for new students as I am booked for 2008, but is offered as a help to our new fliers. The future of our wonderful industry.

Take care all ...

Dennis Kenyon.
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 20:32
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how much and other stuff

Hi K77,

I have a couple of points to add:

1/ hang around the airfield and make yourself useful. You will learn, and almost certainly you'll get opportunities to fly - in the back or in the front - without having to pay. It's unlikely that you'll be able to log the time, but that doesn't matter. All it is costing you is your time and a smile, and possible a pint (not for you, obviously) at the end of the day.

2/ there aren't a lot of accidents. That's why they are newsworthy.
If there were over 3000 people killed in the air (in UK) each year as there are on the roads, then

(a) no-one would fly anywhere in anything
(b) if (a) wasn't the resultant then the forums and papers wouldn't bother reporting it.

And I agree with everyone who has said that there's nothing like it. I've been flying for 27 years, the last 16 in helicopters, and I still get that boy-ish grin every time I lift off, even after 2,500 hours.

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Dennis,

Your time and input on this subject is greatly appreciated, you made some very interesting points, thank you!

I'm off to read your LOOP article now!

E77.
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Oh My God, are you really Dennis Kenyon?!

When I started flying helicopters I was subjected to hours and hours and hours - and hours - of footage of you that my instructor had on his PC, doing amazing things with a Schweizer.

...before he loaded me in the 300 and said "you will never ever ever attempt that or I'll kick your ass".



Now, I hate to openly disagree with such an icon, but re the "extra caution curve".

With my very little time and experience, I'm not entirely sure that I would survive a failure or emergency when outside the recommended areas of the height/velocity curve?

My instructor demonstrated a couple of things to me but again, he has time and experience.

What say you?

Also I admire your comment about 100hr pilots still with no licence - I think the world has become too PC. Either that or people are just too quick to make money from someone who quite clearly isn't going to cut the mustard.

Lovely to read your post, Sir!!

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Biggles99, yet more great points, thanks.

I was hoping that my flight school who also operate commercial Helicopters including our local radio stations daily traffic reporter might have a vacancy on the odd day for an extra member of staff............i'm hoping that i'm in the ideal position in that i'm not after a full time staff job (as I want to keep my current profession alive and as I dont work everyday of the week and irregular days) but am willing to help them out with anything when they're busy or as cover for illness and holidays!

I can always ask..............wonder how many people requests they get for that??????
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 21:06
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Dennis,

Just to gazump your mid 70's 35 hour PPL: mid 60's we only needed 30 hours
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Ooooh that reminds me of the Venison Recovery days here in NZ!

(well, not reminds me PERSONALLY cos I wasn't around then, but...)


They didn't even need a licence - all they needed was a type-rating from a fixed wing licence!!

and you KNOW the **** they got up to. Poor wee helicopters.
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Interesting post by DennisK above.

I passed my PPL(H) after 45.1 (i.e. test at 45.1 hours), so it can be done. This was in a R22, with no previous experience.

I did the trial lesson, to meet the instructor and get an idea from them what they thought of me. At that point I got the medical out of the way before starting spending money. I would tell anyone to do the same, if you don't click with any instructor you will have trouble.

Looking back at my logbook, it took just under a year in all. I had a wait to do my QXC because of the weather. I tried to do one to two hours a week, with a few gaps because of work commitments.

I have to say, it is probably the best thing I have ever done, despite the cost.
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thankyou!

guys id like to thank you all for your help, Whirls i am working and doing my PPL(A) at anglia flight just two buildings away from sterling and so i hear the scheizer 300 is more reliable and "safer" than the r22, would anyone agree with this-schwiezer? or robinson? many thanks whistus
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