Accident Video
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From: TOD
Accident Video
Being a simple fixed-wing type, just wondering what is likely to be the problem here. The aircraft seems to be under control.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e87_1199375265
Sorry if already posted.
sr
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e87_1199375265
Sorry if already posted.
sr
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From: UK
"under control"....maybe not, if under control means making the aircraft do what you intend..
Interesting that the initial response doesn't seem to involve anyone with an extinguisher or any other form of contingency resource.
Interesting that the initial response doesn't seem to involve anyone with an extinguisher or any other form of contingency resource.
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From: Norway
Yes it looks like a Koala.
Pilot has a high rate of descent on that approach and might have ended up in a Vortex Ring State. Hard to make out from the video where the wind is coming from.
Pilot has a high rate of descent on that approach and might have ended up in a Vortex Ring State. Hard to make out from the video where the wind is coming from.
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From: UK
Looking at the trees in the first ten seconds or so, it looks pretty calm.
It looks like vortex ring to me.
The pilot's attempts to get the nose up are pretty half-hearted and if he'd identified it and accepted it at an early stage and got the nose down and the speed on he'd have got away with a go-around.
He's not the first and he won't be the last........
Fred
It looks like vortex ring to me.
The pilot's attempts to get the nose up are pretty half-hearted and if he'd identified it and accepted it at an early stage and got the nose down and the speed on he'd have got away with a go-around.
He's not the first and he won't be the last........
Fred
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From: Albuquerque NM USA
Seems I remember an EMS flight program in Utah with a new Koala.
And if I also remember correctly it was a fuel control problem with the Pratt. The pilot pulled at the bottom and the engine failed to spool up.
And if I also remember correctly it was a fuel control problem with the Pratt. The pilot pulled at the bottom and the engine failed to spool up.
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From: Albuquerque NM USA
A little more info:
NTSB Accident report
FAA accident report: DEN02LA010
This report points to a mis-rigged throttle instead of the fuel control issue I first mentioned.
NTSB Accident report
FAA accident report: DEN02LA010
This report points to a mis-rigged throttle instead of the fuel control issue I first mentioned.
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From: Abu Dhabi
something is wrong here...
We are too fast sometimes to blame on vortex ring-lte-whateverstrangething
Helicopters DO fail.
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From: Pewsey, UK
Are the accident in the video and the accident in the report one and the same ?
The report mentions an HLS/LZ in mountains, and the lat/long given are indeed nowhere near buildings - the video looks more like a hospital.
The report mentions an HLS/LZ in mountains, and the lat/long given are indeed nowhere near buildings - the video looks more like a hospital.
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From: Shrewsbury
ROD didn't seem to be too high in the final stages. Looks more as though he misjudged the approach, flared to reduce excess forward speed too low and hit the tail rotor.
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From: Somewhere, Over the Rainbow
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?...02LA010&rpt=fa
Utah and mis rigged throttles it is. Pilot seemed to do a good job considering he had an auto on his hands during a steep approach after beginning the descent. Got it down pretty level, on the LZ, and everyone walked away with only minors.
Mike
Utah and mis rigged throttles it is. Pilot seemed to do a good job considering he had an auto on his hands during a steep approach after beginning the descent. Got it down pretty level, on the LZ, and everyone walked away with only minors.
Mike
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From: Lisbon - Portugal
Accident video
Please could someone tell me witch report correlates with the accident video, NTSB-DENO5FA103, REG.N403CF, DATE 30/06/2005 or NTSB-DENO2LA010, REG.N119RX, DATE 11/09/2001 ?
Thank you
Thank you