Accident Video
 

Being a simple fixed-wing type, just wondering what is likely to be the problem here. The aircraft seems to be under control.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e87_1199375265

Sorry if already posted.

sr

"under control"....maybe not, if under control means making the aircraft do what you intend..:suspect:

Interesting that the initial response doesn't seem to involve anyone with an extinguisher or any other form of contingency resource.

Wow never seen that one actually.. Looks like a AW119 if im correct??

First time I see it, could it be a Koala?? :sad:

Yes it looks like a Koala.

Pilot has a high rate of descent on that approach and might have ended up in a Vortex Ring State. Hard to make out from the video where the wind is coming from.

Yes but he also has a reasonable forward air speed until quite late, can't see the wind direction or strength though. Lets hope he/she and its occupants came out unscathed.

Looking at the trees in the first ten seconds or so, it looks pretty calm.

It looks like vortex ring to me.

The pilot's attempts to get the nose up are pretty half-hearted and if he'd identified it and accepted it at an early stage and got the nose down and the speed on he'd have got away with a go-around.

He's not the first and he won't be the last........


Fred

I don't like the vortex ring option, something is wrong here...
I can't imagine the Koala being unable to stop that descent... :rolleyes:

Looks like one of the Air Rescue Koalas based out of Boise, Idaho.

Seems I remember an EMS flight program in Utah with a new Koala.

And if I also remember correctly it was a fuel control problem with the Pratt. The pilot pulled at the bottom and the engine failed to spool up.

From a flare to an instant power demand. Does the Koala have an Anticipator?

A little more info:

NTSB Accident report

FAA accident report: DEN02LA010

This report points to a mis-rigged throttle instead of the fuel control issue I first mentioned.

The tops of the pine trees seem to show a couple of knots downwind, maybe setting up a good vortex ring situation with that approach speed and ROD.

This report points to a mis-rigged throttle instead of the fuel control issue I first mentioned.

We are too fast sometimes to blame on vortex ring-lte-whateverstrangething

Helicopters DO fail.

Are the accident in the video and the accident in the report one and the same ?

The report mentions an HLS/LZ in mountains, and the lat/long given are indeed nowhere near buildings - the video looks more like a hospital.

ROD didn't seem to be too high in the final stages. Looks more as though he misjudged the approach, flared to reduce excess forward speed too low and hit the tail rotor.

Video of EMS crash: maybe a little too fast?
 

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?...02LA010&rpt=fa

Utah and mis rigged throttles it is. Pilot seemed to do a good job considering he had an auto on his hands during a steep approach after beginning the descent. Got it down pretty level, on the LZ, and everyone walked away with only minors.

Mike

yea all was going well until he slammed the tail into the ground.
Legend of coarse. They always are.

Accident video
 

Please could someone tell me witch report correlates with the accident video, NTSB-DENO5FA103, REG.N403CF, DATE 30/06/2005 or NTSB-DENO2LA010, REG.N119RX, DATE 11/09/2001 ?

Thank you