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Maxdrypower,
I understand what your saying, but also remember, there are not many PC that have spent near to 120K of their own money on their job training. (Military pilots excluded
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I understand what your saying, but also remember, there are not many PC that have spent near to 120K of their own money on their job training. (Military pilots excluded
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hehe
I appreciate the current "industrial" unrest doesnt affect you pilots directly. However, one of the scenarios posed was that of directly employed Pilots.
Like it or not you will end up as being classed as Public Sector workers, and end up getting dicked along with everyone else.
Also, just for the record. The destruction of the current Police pension, earlier this year, is only one in a long line of erosions to pay and conditions that have occured over the last decade.
Rent allowance
Housing Allowance
Dental Care
Plain Clothes allowance
etc etc
all gone.
I think things may get a lot worse before they get better,,,
I appreciate the current "industrial" unrest doesnt affect you pilots directly. However, one of the scenarios posed was that of directly employed Pilots.
Like it or not you will end up as being classed as Public Sector workers, and end up getting dicked along with everyone else.
Also, just for the record. The destruction of the current Police pension, earlier this year, is only one in a long line of erosions to pay and conditions that have occured over the last decade.
Rent allowance
Housing Allowance
Dental Care
Plain Clothes allowance
etc etc
all gone.
I think things may get a lot worse before they get better,,,
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Lightning , very true , although I almost have . But just because someone hasnt made a very personal decision to spend that amount of money doesnt mean they can be treated like crap . Perhaps all ASU pilots should do a month of nights as a special constable in a city centre prior taking up their flying post Im sure they would soon see our point .
And before we get any references to gulf wars and kosovos etc etc the majority of the bobbies in their late 20's joining these days have been there and done it .
And before we get any references to gulf wars and kosovos etc etc the majority of the bobbies in their late 20's joining these days have been there and done it .
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maxdrypower
But it's not those bobbies (majority!! 
) who are saying the pilots should get out on the streets is it?
By the way, the majority of ex-mil pilots did not join up as aircrew, therefore you forgot the elements involving patrolling the streets of Belfast etc, where the locals used to either carry weapons of some description or at least run them, or perhaps the sniper was out that day, or Mr Bombmaker wanted to trade his wares. You also forgot Landing in lightly defended LSs in and around Sebrinica which should have been cleared of mines, but the Americans were supposed to have cleared it and you could never be quite sure. And then there's things like having Radar Warning Receivers going off in aquisition mode while on Ops in the Middle East. Let alone all the other specialist training and qualifications gathered in past careers, sleeping in hedges, trenches etc etc...
Most of all, I bet you have never had to do a canteen cowboy on a German Saturday night in a NAAFI full of p*SS*d up Tankies, Household Cavalry types, REMEs, Squawks and an assortment of others. Nottingham would be like a Kindergarten in comparison!
Must be great on the other hand to spend 5 years somewhere, perhaps even get an advanced driving course and then spend the next 25 years on the ASU. Loads of time to sit around and get bitter about those brave flyboys isn't there!
I bet when you get your CPL you'll be up in arms as why you should be on the unit as a pilot....what with all your police experience, there can be no better man.
£32k 
Don't forget the overtime, bonus payments etc...
Go on...put your typing where your mouth is, what did you get gross last financial year?
£5 says it was more than at least one of the pilots at your unit!
You want support!! I would suggest stop having a go at those you work alongside!
Anyway, thanks for letting me have a rant, just finished painting the kitchen and off to bed.
Perhaps all ASU pilots should do a month of nights as a special constable in a city centre prior taking up their flying post Im sure they would soon see our point .
And before we get any references to gulf wars and kosovos etc etc the majority of the bobbies in their late 20's joining these days have been there and done it .
And before we get any references to gulf wars and kosovos etc etc the majority of the bobbies in their late 20's joining these days have been there and done it .
) who are saying the pilots should get out on the streets is it?By the way, the majority of ex-mil pilots did not join up as aircrew, therefore you forgot the elements involving patrolling the streets of Belfast etc, where the locals used to either carry weapons of some description or at least run them, or perhaps the sniper was out that day, or Mr Bombmaker wanted to trade his wares. You also forgot Landing in lightly defended LSs in and around Sebrinica which should have been cleared of mines, but the Americans were supposed to have cleared it and you could never be quite sure. And then there's things like having Radar Warning Receivers going off in aquisition mode while on Ops in the Middle East. Let alone all the other specialist training and qualifications gathered in past careers, sleeping in hedges, trenches etc etc...
Most of all, I bet you have never had to do a canteen cowboy on a German Saturday night in a NAAFI full of p*SS*d up Tankies, Household Cavalry types, REMEs, Squawks and an assortment of others. Nottingham would be like a Kindergarten in comparison!
Must be great on the other hand to spend 5 years somewhere, perhaps even get an advanced driving course and then spend the next 25 years on the ASU. Loads of time to sit around and get bitter about those brave flyboys isn't there!
I bet when you get your CPL you'll be up in arms as why you should be on the unit as a pilot....what with all your police experience, there can be no better man.
Bear in mind a top pay scale PC with in excess of ten yrs service draws 32 grand per yr .
Don't forget the overtime, bonus payments etc...Go on...put your typing where your mouth is, what did you get gross last financial year?
£5 says it was more than at least one of the pilots at your unit!
You want support!! I would suggest stop having a go at those you work alongside!
Anyway, thanks for letting me have a rant, just finished painting the kitchen and off to bed.
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HnH,
Exactly, and I suspect come April it will be x12!
Isn't it worrying that the Govt is in crisis against its Police Force. Except the Scottish bit! I thought this sort of thing only happened in African States and Banana Republics
By the way Mr Plods out there, why don't you listen to one of your own, and take his advice once you vote it in?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...18#post1322618
And
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=127936
You also have a choice, walk!
I hear NZ, Aus & Canada are crying out for the good old British Bobbie.
Most of you are good, some of you are old and you are all British, so therefore unlikely to do anything too drastic.
Exactly, and I suspect come April it will be x12!
Isn't it worrying that the Govt is in crisis against its Police Force. Except the Scottish bit! I thought this sort of thing only happened in African States and Banana Republics
By the way Mr Plods out there, why don't you listen to one of your own, and take his advice once you vote it in?
S**ike till you get better pay!!!
And
Why is it, in the Police aviation world, pilots dont seem to stick the job?
You are always moving around without showing some commitment to your employers and colleagues?
You are always moving around without showing some commitment to your employers and colleagues?
You also have a choice, walk!
I hear NZ, Aus & Canada are crying out for the good old British Bobbie.
Most of you are good, some of you are old and you are all British, so therefore unlikely to do anything too drastic.
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Silsoe Sid I grossed exactly 32014 last year no ot no rewards no benefits whatsoever I wont go into the reasons . Shame your not on my unit Ill wager you wouldnt eb so vocal then . Thats the Problem with PPrune everyones a hero and everyone can throw around insults with impunity . However i wont lower myself to your level. My point was rasied solely due to a few of the remarks making the point that bobbies dont really deserve their pay .It was not a go at ASU pilots in general.
No I wont be crying out for a job on an asu when I get my CPL Im not that naive , I also dont fly helicopters .
So the majority of Aircrew didnt join as aircrew ??? Bollxxxs maybe not in the army they didnt ,talking through the wrong hole again arent we Sid .
And you are so brave goign into deal with drunken sqauddies , Oh my your my hero , in all my years Ive never been to a fight in a pub or club ? cos in civvy street they just dont happen you are so courageous . No wonder you became a pilot all that stress dealing with all those horrid things . Im gald it never happens in fluffy civvyville where everyone is cuddly and luvvy duvvy .
You really have made a pathetic post I would say childish in fact .I was in the military for many years inc NI ,Kosovo, Gulf like an awful lot of bobbies . But no we never expreienced any of those things of which you speak we all lived in little safe balloons .
No I wont be crying out for a job on an asu when I get my CPL Im not that naive , I also dont fly helicopters .
So the majority of Aircrew didnt join as aircrew ??? Bollxxxs maybe not in the army they didnt ,talking through the wrong hole again arent we Sid .
And you are so brave goign into deal with drunken sqauddies , Oh my your my hero , in all my years Ive never been to a fight in a pub or club ? cos in civvy street they just dont happen you are so courageous . No wonder you became a pilot all that stress dealing with all those horrid things . Im gald it never happens in fluffy civvyville where everyone is cuddly and luvvy duvvy .
You really have made a pathetic post I would say childish in fact .I was in the military for many years inc NI ,Kosovo, Gulf like an awful lot of bobbies . But no we never expreienced any of those things of which you speak we all lived in little safe balloons .
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Go on...put your typing where your mouth is, what did you get gross last financial year?
£5 says it was more than at least one of the pilots at your unit!
£5 says it was more than at least one of the pilots at your unit!
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A few abusive comments have been removed from posts. Any future ones will just see the post deleted and the poster banned from this thread.
It's quite within everyones intelligence here to make your points without resorting to childish exchanges ... I think
It's quite within everyones intelligence here to make your points without resorting to childish exchanges ... I think
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Having been "outed" before I am trying really really hard to be non abusive and a good boy
But please Mr Moderator so far I have not seen too much hassle just banter.... Pilots and Observers thrive on it
But please Mr Moderator so far I have not seen too much hassle just banter.... Pilots and Observers thrive on it
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Yeh ill agree there, whilst It would appear silsoe sid appeared out of order with his insult but I did take this as banter and not a personal insult aimed at me , had we been in the crewroom the conversation would have been very similar and things would have been thrown but it would have been nothng more than banter. It is a sad state of affairs that within a few years cops arent gonna know how to engage in good natured banter as it will probably be a discipline offence to do so . Most are already shxt scared to open their mouths for fear of being put on a diversity course etc etc , long give gob****es and banter .Ill just reiterate what all cops already know whther they be airborne or stuck on the ground , T.J.F
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fully agree with you Max, it seems I guess to the outsiders that we are uncooth thingies that hang off walls in damp places But long live crew room banter... God or Allah (depending on your preference) help us, should this be thrown to the polictically correct pile like a lot of other things in this life should we dare to offend someone!
Anyway back to thread.... The Wicked Witch went to Wolverhampton today and was going to speak to Police ... I would love to know what happened. The only good thing about her is that she has a lousy majority to hold on to
LAB 18,012
CON 15,296
So she may be out of a job herself making ends meet as best as possible soon
But long live crew room banter... God or Allah (depending on your preference) help us, should this be thrown to the polictically correct pile like a lot of other things in this life should we dare to offend someone!Anyway back to thread.... The Wicked Witch went to Wolverhampton today and was going to speak to Police ... I would love to know what happened. The only good thing about her is that she has a lousy majority to hold on to
LAB 18,012
CON 15,296
So she may be out of a job herself making ends meet as best as possible soon
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Be Courteous!
Don't attack others. Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully... without insult and personal attack.
Don't attack others. Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully... without insult and personal attack.
If you want to swear at each other and trade insults in the crew room and pass it off as banter, that's your right to do so. But do it in the crew room.
In here we'd like to promote a friendly atmosphere where people can post freely, hear reasoned debate, and feel no shame or fear in doing so. Nothing to do with being PC or huggy fluffy, it's just the working philosophy which has made Rotorheads one of our top forums.
Interpretation of the written word is never as easy as when talking face to face, so don't be too offended if someone misinterprets what you call 'banter' as 'abuse'. PPRuNe will always err on the conservative side in that situation.
That said, let's not go overboard. There is no major problem in the Forum. A couple of potentially insulting comments have been removed. A 'caution' has been issued. No one has crossed the line and been banned or had posts removed on this thread. No reason why it shouldn't continue as such.
Sorry Pardon "Bugdevheli" didn't really mean to chew you out so strong, & my use of the term "Smart **se" was more generic than anything. It was just that I was a bit "Grumpy" and as usual when I just get a sniff of someone having a go at the lads & lasses that I was so proud to have served with for over 30 years, the red mists descend & I bite!
I am intensely proud of what UK Police Air Support has acheived in the past 25 years ( And in that - our pilots were pivotal for without their sheer professionalism we couldn't have done it)
I was too, - a strong supporter of our staff associations ( To those outside UK I shouldexplain that we are not allowed unions! ) & I want to see our pilots recognised for what they are & paid accordingly, & our observers recognised as front line officers, as they are in Scotland.
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I am intensely proud of what UK Police Air Support has acheived in the past 25 years ( And in that - our pilots were pivotal for without their sheer professionalism we couldn't have done it)
I was too, - a strong supporter of our staff associations ( To those outside UK I shouldexplain that we are not allowed unions! ) & I want to see our pilots recognised for what they are & paid accordingly, & our observers recognised as front line officers, as they are in Scotland.
Tigerfish
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Mr Radar Sir,
This conversation would take place in any crewroom around the bazaars with the inevitable let off of steam.
Last week it was 4x4s and the myth of the human cause of Climate Change.
The week before that it was the size of 4x4s and how much room they take up in car parks. (Did you know that a Volvo XC90 is only 8 inches wider than a mini? )
In between somewhere was, overtime pay, bonus payments and bank holidays off.
Oh how the nights fly by, good job a couple in the unit have 4x4s.
Anyway, this week it is coppers pay and how they are not getting the pay rise on the date it is/was due. After coconuttys earlier post, making quite clear, I'm sure we are on the same side and realise the fact that the rozzers aren't getting the pay rise when it was due and are in fact being deprived of money already earnt since September.
Normally called theft, but Governments don't do that sort of thing...do they.
It's just nice to have a battle of wits some times with the occasional unarmed man.
This conversation would take place in any crewroom around the bazaars with the inevitable let off of steam.
Last week it was 4x4s and the myth of the human cause of Climate Change.
The week before that it was the size of 4x4s and how much room they take up in car parks. (Did you know that a Volvo XC90 is only 8 inches wider than a mini? )
In between somewhere was, overtime pay, bonus payments and bank holidays off.
Oh how the nights fly by, good job a couple in the unit have 4x4s.
Anyway, this week it is coppers pay and how they are not getting the pay rise on the date it is/was due. After coconuttys earlier post, making quite clear, I'm sure we are on the same side and realise the fact that the rozzers aren't getting the pay rise when it was due and are in fact being deprived of money already earnt since September.
Normally called theft, but Governments don't do that sort of thing...do they.
It's just nice to have a battle of wits some times with the occasional unarmed man.
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Last week it was 4x4s and the myth of the human cause of Climate Change.
The week before that it was the size of 4x4s and how much room they take up in car parks. (Did you know that a Volvo XC90 is only 8 inches wider than a mini? )
The week before that it was the size of 4x4s and how much room they take up in car parks. (Did you know that a Volvo XC90 is only 8 inches wider than a mini? )
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There have been some interesting comments here, however I must question if the government have got it right. After all a village bobby in Scotland clearing out three locals from the pub at midnight is clearly under much more pressure than a bobby in the city at 2am on a saturday morning, so is probably worth some extra pay
Or on the other hand perhaps all bobbies dealing with high volume crime in metropolitan forces should be paid more? Thats where the work is done isnt it? and probably the main reason the Police have helicopters in the first place
hnh
Or on the other hand perhaps all bobbies dealing with high volume crime in metropolitan forces should be paid more? Thats where the work is done isnt it? and probably the main reason the Police have helicopters in the first placehnh
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... and the money IS there to be paid !
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/...name_page.html
"Interesting" comments in the Birmingham Post, following up on Jacqui Smith's visit to Wolverhampton mentioned by volrider .....
.... Particularly the bit about the local Police authority who are responsible for paying their Officers, stating that they have the money to implement the award in full from the due date, they want to do this, and urge the Home Secretary to agree with the arbitration ruling.
... and there's a bit of a revolt going on in-house too :
"Interesting" comments in the Birmingham Post, following up on Jacqui Smith's visit to Wolverhampton mentioned by volrider .....
.... Particularly the bit about the local Police authority who are responsible for paying their Officers, stating that they have the money to implement the award in full from the due date, they want to do this, and urge the Home Secretary to agree with the arbitration ruling.
... and there's a bit of a revolt going on in-house too :
A number of Labour MPs have called for the police to receive the pay rise and signed a House of Commons motion calling on the Government to reconsider.
They include, from the West Midlands, Richard Burden (Lab Birmingham Northfield), Lynne Jones (Lab Birmingham Selly Oak), John Spellar (Lab Warley), Jim Cunningham (Lab Coventry South), Brian Jenkins (Lab Tamworth), Janet Dean (Lab Burton), Paul Farrelly (Lab Newcastle-under-Lyme) and Charlotte Atkins (Lab Staffordshire Moorlands).
They include, from the West Midlands, Richard Burden (Lab Birmingham Northfield), Lynne Jones (Lab Birmingham Selly Oak), John Spellar (Lab Warley), Jim Cunningham (Lab Coventry South), Brian Jenkins (Lab Tamworth), Janet Dean (Lab Burton), Paul Farrelly (Lab Newcastle-under-Lyme) and Charlotte Atkins (Lab Staffordshire Moorlands).
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A couple of good points.
If the local Police Authority can afford to pay the officers the increased rate from when the increase was due, how does that affect national inflation?
HnH, are you suggesting some form of 'trade pay'? How do you compare a beat bobbie to one working on the ASU for example?
Do the Met Officers still get a Met allowance? Why is that? Cost of living perhaps? (So many Questions) If so shouldn't that apply nationally at different levels?
Back to the crewroom 4x4s if I may. Is it safer, better environmentally and more cost effective for;
a. Wife to drive kids 10 mins across town to school in 4x4 and hubby to drive 35 mins to work in saloon.
b. Hubby to drive 35 mins to work in 4x4 and wife to drive kids 10 mins across town to school in saloon.
4x4........5* (pax) 2* (ped) NCAP ratings.
Saloon... 4* (pax) 1* (ped) NCAP ratings.
4x4 has 18 airbags/air curtains etc etc
Saloon has 6 airbags and an etc
If the local Police Authority can afford to pay the officers the increased rate from when the increase was due, how does that affect national inflation?
HnH, are you suggesting some form of 'trade pay'? How do you compare a beat bobbie to one working on the ASU for example?
Do the Met Officers still get a Met allowance? Why is that? Cost of living perhaps? (So many Questions) If so shouldn't that apply nationally at different levels?
Back to the crewroom 4x4s if I may. Is it safer, better environmentally and more cost effective for;
a. Wife to drive kids 10 mins across town to school in 4x4 and hubby to drive 35 mins to work in saloon.
b. Hubby to drive 35 mins to work in 4x4 and wife to drive kids 10 mins across town to school in saloon.
4x4........5* (pax) 2* (ped) NCAP ratings.
Saloon... 4* (pax) 1* (ped) NCAP ratings.
4x4 has 18 airbags/air curtains etc etc
Saloon has 6 airbags and an etc