AS350 Nutter in NI
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JimBall, it's Feckin' Eejit. End of todays lesson in slang Irish.
BigJock, my statement was maybe misinterpreted. The recovery was drastic, and caused by a major error or recklessness in the first place and was violent in itself, hence unacceptable.
Bladecrack, I hope you are not including me in your sentiments about egos...
Haven't seen Sky yet, will keep an eye on it.
If Johnnyrb's quotation is correct this **** deserves the full brunt of the CAA.
Would anyone agree it's better to debate this issue now to minimise damage instead of another accident thread.
BigJock, my statement was maybe misinterpreted. The recovery was drastic, and caused by a major error or recklessness in the first place and was violent in itself, hence unacceptable.
Bladecrack, I hope you are not including me in your sentiments about egos...
Haven't seen Sky yet, will keep an eye on it.
If Johnnyrb's quotation is correct this **** deserves the full brunt of the CAA.
Would anyone agree it's better to debate this issue now to minimise damage instead of another accident thread.
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I wonder which ppruner gave it up to Sky news...?
A lot of people are quick to say "off with his head"!
Why?
Sure he F**ked up, but surely people deserve second chances, or is it 'one strike your out'?
The only good thing I can see come of this, is that I'm sure a lot of us will keep this in mind when ever doing any flying in public or around video cameras and will be extra careful in what we are doing!
A lot of people are quick to say "off with his head"!
Why?
Sure he F**ked up, but surely people deserve second chances, or is it 'one strike your out'?
The only good thing I can see come of this, is that I'm sure a lot of us will keep this in mind when ever doing any flying in public or around video cameras and will be extra careful in what we are doing!
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Scores on the Doors
Hi there everyone.
Had a few thoughts today. Wouldn't you know, the muse arrived as I was transiting busy airspace but I just HAD to go 'head down', get the PC out, and capture my thoughts.
SouthXross (-)
Started all this nonsense by failing to mind his own business; seems happy to bring the Irish helicopter industry into disrepute; has ‘previous’ form by starting slanderous Pprune threads about subjects which are nothing to do with him.
Davy07 (-)
Hardly worthy of comment - irrelevant and ill-informed judgements. Appears to be a R/C helicopter pilot. And Davy07, who do you think has the slightest interest in where you live?
Hedski (-)
Generally negative comments and no constructive advice.
Wetbulb (+)
Early insider information supplied in order to avoid blame arriving at wrong landing site.
Nigelh (-)
Snobbish towards Robinson pilots and PPLs. Presumably born complete with ATPL in the cargo bay of an S92. Have you ever heard Jeremy Clarkson slagging off Caterhams in favour of Skanias?
Jayteeto (+)
Balanced analysis of the incident and constructive advice. Presumably mis-navigated to the wrong thread.
Skidbiter2 (+)
More well-informed and reasoned analysis. I’m starting to suspect some mis-typing going on.
Jonnyrb (-)
Where can we start here? Living proof that not all Jonnys stop the mess when applied to a cock-up. Lack of posts indicates a novice helicopter pilot who is nevertheless perfectly willing to blame any pilot who may invade his Class J airspace in aforementioned helicopter. Also the first person to mention the suspected pilot’s name so potential there for some courtroom drama later.
Agaricus Bisporus (-)
Latin for mushroom and obviously kept in the dark. Reasonable analysis but no constructive advice. Gets a negative for having me resort to Wikipedia for a disappointing revelation regarding the handle.
Blade Crack (+)
Constructive advice offered. Time to emigrate or do a fixed-wing rating.
Bravo73 (-)
Nerdish comments regarding the technological processes involved in posting messages lead me to believe that a change of heading is required for you at this point. Perhaps chess or needlework.
Gaseous (+)
Constructive advice. But I’m not planning to share a cockpit with you any time soon.
Border (~)
Undecided about you. You did bring further information to us regarding the baby which was supposedly on board. But then patches of meteorological inaccuracy spread in from the South in the shape of your wind statements. The wind on the day of the wedding was 20 gusting 35. Perhaps you could confer with Gaseous on this matter.
A. Agincourt (+)
Negative comments, but a great turn of phrase. Should consider stand-up.
P1V1T1 (-)
Talks arrogantly about who he is prepared to share the skies with. I wouldn’t relish the opportunity to share the skies with any pilot who doesn’t know Northern Ireland from Ireland, the CAA from the IAA and presumably his a**e from his elbow. And his name is a right ball-ache to type.
Backward Blade (+)
Was hoping for a negative here in order to latch on to the ‘backward’ bit. But no dice – you were another rarity in the thread who offered constructive advice.
BIGJOCK (+)
Are we related? Comments absolutely on the money. And bonus points for your comments upon the novice CFI who started the thread.
Helimutt (-)
The first to mention Sky News. So….. the first to get the blame for informing Sky News. You, along with SouthXross have done the most damage to the Irish helicopter industry.
Had a few thoughts today. Wouldn't you know, the muse arrived as I was transiting busy airspace but I just HAD to go 'head down', get the PC out, and capture my thoughts. SouthXross (-)
Started all this nonsense by failing to mind his own business; seems happy to bring the Irish helicopter industry into disrepute; has ‘previous’ form by starting slanderous Pprune threads about subjects which are nothing to do with him.
Davy07 (-)
Hardly worthy of comment - irrelevant and ill-informed judgements. Appears to be a R/C helicopter pilot. And Davy07, who do you think has the slightest interest in where you live?
Hedski (-)
Generally negative comments and no constructive advice.
Wetbulb (+)
Early insider information supplied in order to avoid blame arriving at wrong landing site.
Nigelh (-)
Snobbish towards Robinson pilots and PPLs. Presumably born complete with ATPL in the cargo bay of an S92. Have you ever heard Jeremy Clarkson slagging off Caterhams in favour of Skanias?
Jayteeto (+)
Balanced analysis of the incident and constructive advice. Presumably mis-navigated to the wrong thread.
Skidbiter2 (+)
More well-informed and reasoned analysis. I’m starting to suspect some mis-typing going on.
Jonnyrb (-)
Where can we start here? Living proof that not all Jonnys stop the mess when applied to a cock-up. Lack of posts indicates a novice helicopter pilot who is nevertheless perfectly willing to blame any pilot who may invade his Class J airspace in aforementioned helicopter. Also the first person to mention the suspected pilot’s name so potential there for some courtroom drama later.
Agaricus Bisporus (-)
Latin for mushroom and obviously kept in the dark. Reasonable analysis but no constructive advice. Gets a negative for having me resort to Wikipedia for a disappointing revelation regarding the handle.
Blade Crack (+)
Constructive advice offered. Time to emigrate or do a fixed-wing rating.
Bravo73 (-)
Nerdish comments regarding the technological processes involved in posting messages lead me to believe that a change of heading is required for you at this point. Perhaps chess or needlework.
Gaseous (+)
Constructive advice. But I’m not planning to share a cockpit with you any time soon.
Border (~)
Undecided about you. You did bring further information to us regarding the baby which was supposedly on board. But then patches of meteorological inaccuracy spread in from the South in the shape of your wind statements. The wind on the day of the wedding was 20 gusting 35. Perhaps you could confer with Gaseous on this matter.
A. Agincourt (+)
Negative comments, but a great turn of phrase. Should consider stand-up.
P1V1T1 (-)
Talks arrogantly about who he is prepared to share the skies with. I wouldn’t relish the opportunity to share the skies with any pilot who doesn’t know Northern Ireland from Ireland, the CAA from the IAA and presumably his a**e from his elbow. And his name is a right ball-ache to type.
Backward Blade (+)
Was hoping for a negative here in order to latch on to the ‘backward’ bit. But no dice – you were another rarity in the thread who offered constructive advice.
BIGJOCK (+)
Are we related? Comments absolutely on the money. And bonus points for your comments upon the novice CFI who started the thread.
Helimutt (-)
The first to mention Sky News. So….. the first to get the blame for informing Sky News. You, along with SouthXross have done the most damage to the Irish helicopter industry.
Chief Bottle Washer
Right you lot: enough's as good as a feast! Take 24 hours off to cool down, and start acting like adults, rather than the current kiddies corner name calling.
I'll look at reopening this thread tomorrow: maybe.
I'll look at reopening this thread tomorrow: maybe.
Chief Bottle Washer
Second chance
Thread re-opened.
No name calling, stupid assumptions, or playground behaviour
This has now featured as far away as Australia, complete with PPRuNe reference (Channel Nine News), so you can expect a higher degree of oversight on this thread from now.
How about some input from experienced AS350-B3 operators as to the possibility of some reasons other than "cowboy" flying? I'm told that finger trouble with hydraulic off selections could have produced similar results, is that correct?
No name calling, stupid assumptions, or playground behaviour
This has now featured as far away as Australia, complete with PPRuNe reference (Channel Nine News), so you can expect a higher degree of oversight on this thread from now.
How about some input from experienced AS350-B3 operators as to the possibility of some reasons other than "cowboy" flying? I'm told that finger trouble with hydraulic off selections could have produced similar results, is that correct?
trying to be pc
As AS 350 Nutter obviously knows the pilot well why doesnt he get him to post what actually happened here ? I believe half of the problem with this pilot is that he has not yet stuck his hand up in the air and admitted anything ...we also get an insight ( rightly or wrongly) that he is not only incompetant but also arrogant. If it had been me , but for the grace of God, i would have come clean quickly and had a far more sympathetic ride with this bunch !! I accept we can all make mistakes but some things are just an accident waiting to happen ie if he was very low hours doing this flight and the main worry of most people is has he learnt from this ?? Speaking as one who has done loads of daft things i know that you do not learn until you accept blame .....
and i havent even called him a xxxxx xxxx for calling me snobbish., ...Moi !!! common people usually love me
and i havent even called him a xxxxx xxxx for calling me snobbish., ...Moi !!! common people usually love me
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I'm just happy with my '+' rating
Hasn't every one made enough assumptions as to what happened already?
As thats what they all are, we can come up with different scenarios until we are blue in the face, but I don't think it will help anything or anyone.
Shame it made it to the news though!
But I'm sure he would have noticed the hyd off, as they are pretty heavy with out it, as well as the red light on.
And thats enough from me!
Hasn't every one made enough assumptions as to what happened already?
As thats what they all are, we can come up with different scenarios until we are blue in the face, but I don't think it will help anything or anyone.
Shame it made it to the news though!
But I'm sure he would have noticed the hyd off, as they are pretty heavy with out it, as well as the red light on.
And thats enough from me!
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Thanks nutter much appreciated , its nice to know someone is thinking about me .
I'm a Taurus i like long walks on the beach i also enjoy the cinema so if you want to continue this pm me
Actually on a serious note the aircraft is G reg but i know its registered too a
person from the republic , so who would deal with it IAA or CAA?
I'm a Taurus i like long walks on the beach i also enjoy the cinema so if you want to continue this pm me Actually on a serious note the aircraft is G reg but i know its registered too a
person from the republic , so who would deal with it IAA or CAA?
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Perhaps:
PPL (inexperience/lack of anticipation)
Heavy load
Lots of pitch required
Lots of counter torque required (more than pilot is used to, refer to the above)
aircraft Yaws more than expected
did'nt anticipate
shoots up into the air
caught by wind
Loses yaw control
tries to recover
Nearly dies
recovers
Scares pax to death
looks a dick
All survive
Lives to fight another day.
Sheet happens
This is not in defence of the pilot, merely an observation.
Any thoughts lads/ladies?
Best regards
NoP
Ps. I do hope the replies from AS350 nutter are not serious
PPL (inexperience/lack of anticipation)
Heavy load
Lots of pitch required
Lots of counter torque required (more than pilot is used to, refer to the above)
aircraft Yaws more than expected
did'nt anticipate
shoots up into the air
caught by wind
Loses yaw control
tries to recover
Nearly dies
recovers
Scares pax to death
looks a dick
All survive
Lives to fight another day.
Sheet happens
This is not in defence of the pilot, merely an observation.
Any thoughts lads/ladies?
Best regards
NoP
Ps. I do hope the replies from AS350 nutter are not serious
Hovering AND talking
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Where does it state that the pilot was a PPL? Is it the assumption that a CPL could never make a mistake or behave like an ass?
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Notwithstanding the fact that we have all made mistakes..
Whoever pilot of the aircraft was, he should have have a bit more common sense than to even begin the manoevere he carried out.
The fact he alledgely had 3 pax on board makes things even worse.
Solo pilot?, experience?.
Military flying involes meticulous authorisation and supervison to prevent accidents happening. I am not sure what happens in the civilian world?
I would be incredibly embarassed had i been flying that aircraft that day, however it would be enlightening to learn the thought processes going through his/her mind before during and after the event.
If only to educate others.
As far as CAA involvement, well i'm not so sure...how many people **** up and get away with it!. Perhaps the individual concerned had a good enough fright and may think twice next time!
My penneth worth.
Ralph
Whoever pilot of the aircraft was, he should have have a bit more common sense than to even begin the manoevere he carried out.
The fact he alledgely had 3 pax on board makes things even worse.
Solo pilot?, experience?.
Military flying involes meticulous authorisation and supervison to prevent accidents happening. I am not sure what happens in the civilian world?
I would be incredibly embarassed had i been flying that aircraft that day, however it would be enlightening to learn the thought processes going through his/her mind before during and after the event.
If only to educate others.
As far as CAA involvement, well i'm not so sure...how many people **** up and get away with it!. Perhaps the individual concerned had a good enough fright and may think twice next time!
My penneth worth.
Ralph
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I agree, and I can't understand why Hedski and others think they are owed and explanation of the events?
I must be missing something?
Back home, the aviation industry usually sticks together and helps each other, whether it be searching with out being asked or wanting reward for lost aircraft, or giving someone a heads up about in coming crap etc.
But I am glad I don't fly out your guys way, seems every one is just waiting to sink the boot into each other!
ooop's, I did say enough from me....too bad, couldn't resist
I must be missing something?
Back home, the aviation industry usually sticks together and helps each other, whether it be searching with out being asked or wanting reward for lost aircraft, or giving someone a heads up about in coming crap etc.
But I am glad I don't fly out your guys way, seems every one is just waiting to sink the boot into each other!
ooop's, I did say enough from me....too bad, couldn't resist
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Sorry Bladecrack i wasn't clear enough , i know its a g reg which means the uk which is = to the CAA .
But the aircraft owner is from the ROI , just wondering does that bring the IAA into it in any way ??
Also what happens to N reg aircraft in the republic , is it the FAA that are responsible.
Hope i dont sound smart just genuinely interested , thanks for any info
But the aircraft owner is from the ROI , just wondering does that bring the IAA into it in any way ??
Also what happens to N reg aircraft in the republic , is it the FAA that are responsible.
Hope i dont sound smart just genuinely interested , thanks for any info
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P1V1T1
The incident took place in the United Kingdom.
The Aircraft is as you say G resistered.
The owner could be from addis ababa, and the CAA would still be the sole authority dealing with this incident....if indeed there is anything to be delt with.
Had the incident happened on Irish soil as opposed to British soil, then the IAA would have a role.
The incident took place in the United Kingdom.
The Aircraft is as you say G resistered.
The owner could be from addis ababa, and the CAA would still be the sole authority dealing with this incident....if indeed there is anything to be delt with.
Had the incident happened on Irish soil as opposed to British soil, then the IAA would have a role.
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What happens if there is a dual jurisdiction is seldom in the pilot's favor. The governing authority is in the country of operation, they get first crack. Then they write the country where the pilot is licensed, and that second bunch has a go!
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What happens if there is a dual jurisdiction is seldom in the pilot's favor. The governing authority is in the country of operation, they get first crack. Then they write the country where the pilot is licensed, and that second bunch has a go!
