Happy Thanksgiving!
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If we take you lot on as our 51st State....we can add the extra star on the July 4th following the official inclusion agreement. It would not be making a precedent as we already have one island state and a former country in the fold now. (for the geographically challenged amongst us....Hawaii and Texas).
If we take you lot on as our 51st State....we can add the extra star on the July 4th following the official inclusion agreement. It would not be making a precedent as we already have one island state and a former country in the fold now. (for the geographically challenged amongst us....Hawaii and Texas).
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..Hawaii and Texas.
http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/flags/hi_flag.htm
Problem with that website link is that King Kamehameha NEVER took control of Kauai. The channel from Oahu was too wide and his troops were always too tired to fight by the time they got there. Hence, to this day, Kauai is known as the "separate Kingdom". The kingdom did relinquish rule to Kamehameha for the purpose of uniformity.
Also the eight "major" island in the chain, Nihau, is privately owned by the Robinson family. The people of Nihau NEVER agreed to become part of Hawaii, although it is generally recognized as the eight island.
Incidentally, Nihau was occupied by the Japanese after the attack on Pearl Harbor. One of the planes crash landed there and the pilot claimed the island for Japan, with the help of a "co-ersed" islander. Eventually the islander came to his senses and the Japanese soldier was killed and the islander committed suicide.
Regardless of whether you are British or American, the Hawaiian people still believe that their lands were stolen from them, and you will still be seen as a "haole". Currently, the Hawaiian people are petitioning for the re-instatement of the Hawaiian nation. It is my guess that Hawaai will someday cease to be part of the US and will be granted independance.
History lesson complete.
Also the eight "major" island in the chain, Nihau, is privately owned by the Robinson family. The people of Nihau NEVER agreed to become part of Hawaii, although it is generally recognized as the eight island.
Incidentally, Nihau was occupied by the Japanese after the attack on Pearl Harbor. One of the planes crash landed there and the pilot claimed the island for Japan, with the help of a "co-ersed" islander. Eventually the islander came to his senses and the Japanese soldier was killed and the islander committed suicide.
Regardless of whether you are British or American, the Hawaiian people still believe that their lands were stolen from them, and you will still be seen as a "haole". Currently, the Hawaiian people are petitioning for the re-instatement of the Hawaiian nation. It is my guess that Hawaai will someday cease to be part of the US and will be granted independance.
History lesson complete.
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It is my guess that Hawaai will someday cease to be part of the US and will be granted independance.
More research.....
There are various accounts of the earliest history of Ka Hae Hawaiʻi. One relates how King Kamehameha I flew a Union Flag given to him by British explorer Captain George Vancouver as a token of friendship with King George III. An advisor to Kamehameha noted that the Union Flag could draw Hawaiʻi into international conflict as it would be seen as an ally of the United Kingdom. Kamehameha lowered the Union Flag from his home. While disputed as historically accurate, one account of events that followed stated that in order to placate American interests during the War of 1812, a flag of the United States was raised over Kamehameha's home only to be removed when British officers in the court of Kamehameha vehemently objected to it. This account then explains why the resulting flag of Hawaiʻi was a deliberate hybrid of the two nations' flags.
In 1816, Kamehameha commissioned his own flag to avoid conflict. As a result, Ka Hae Hawaiʻi was born. Historians attribute the design of Ka Hae Hawaiʻi to an officer of the Royal Navy, based on a form of the British naval flag. There is debate as to the name of the officer. Some traditions credit Alexander Adams, others George Beckley. The original flag was designed to feature stripes alternating red-white-blue, also attributed to various historical flags of the United Kingdom. However, some have argued that the stripes were influenced by the American flag. In error, the flag used at the first official flying of Ka Hae Hawaiʻi ordered the stripes white-red-blue. The number of stripes also changed: originally, the flag was designed with seven horizontal stripes, and in 1845 it was officially changed to eight stripes. The latter arrangement was adopted and is used today.
The govenors flag is completely different:
There are various accounts of the earliest history of Ka Hae Hawaiʻi. One relates how King Kamehameha I flew a Union Flag given to him by British explorer Captain George Vancouver as a token of friendship with King George III. An advisor to Kamehameha noted that the Union Flag could draw Hawaiʻi into international conflict as it would be seen as an ally of the United Kingdom. Kamehameha lowered the Union Flag from his home. While disputed as historically accurate, one account of events that followed stated that in order to placate American interests during the War of 1812, a flag of the United States was raised over Kamehameha's home only to be removed when British officers in the court of Kamehameha vehemently objected to it. This account then explains why the resulting flag of Hawaiʻi was a deliberate hybrid of the two nations' flags.
In 1816, Kamehameha commissioned his own flag to avoid conflict. As a result, Ka Hae Hawaiʻi was born. Historians attribute the design of Ka Hae Hawaiʻi to an officer of the Royal Navy, based on a form of the British naval flag. There is debate as to the name of the officer. Some traditions credit Alexander Adams, others George Beckley. The original flag was designed to feature stripes alternating red-white-blue, also attributed to various historical flags of the United Kingdom. However, some have argued that the stripes were influenced by the American flag. In error, the flag used at the first official flying of Ka Hae Hawaiʻi ordered the stripes white-red-blue. The number of stripes also changed: originally, the flag was designed with seven horizontal stripes, and in 1845 it was officially changed to eight stripes. The latter arrangement was adopted and is used today.
The govenors flag is completely different:
- But that doesn't change the FLAG in the flag.
Ah yes, but well travelled. Boarding school in England, RAF for 8 years, then chose to leave. Amongst other places, I did live on Kauai for 7 years, hence a slightly better understanding of the culture of the Hawaiian people. I am now somewhat nomadic.....
One thing to note about the "Union Jack" is that it is NOT official: "No law has ever been passed making the Union Flag the national flag of the United Kingdom; rather it has become one through usage. Its first recorded recognition as a national flag came in 1908, when it was stated in Parliament that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag". A more categorical statement was made by the Home Secretary in 1933, when he stated that "the Union Jack is the National Flag"."
Its been great "sparring" with you---have a great Thanksgiving or what ever you celebrate over there.....
One thing to note about the "Union Jack" is that it is NOT official: "No law has ever been passed making the Union Flag the national flag of the United Kingdom; rather it has become one through usage. Its first recorded recognition as a national flag came in 1908, when it was stated in Parliament that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag". A more categorical statement was made by the Home Secretary in 1933, when he stated that "the Union Jack is the National Flag"."
Its been great "sparring" with you---have a great Thanksgiving or what ever you celebrate over there.....
Doesn't really think like Thanksgiving here on the beach in Mexico - but I guess someone's gotta do it!
Happy Turkey day. The second this year!
Happy Turkey day. The second this year!
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The joke's on us, I guess.
>>We have a different date in UK. It's July 4th.<<
Funny thing, 220 or so years after we got rid of one King George, we wind up with another one.
Oh well it was great while it lasted.
Funny thing, 220 or so years after we got rid of one King George, we wind up with another one.
Oh well it was great while it lasted.
