Job vacancy at Lancs Police ASU?
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Mr Agincourt, I see what you are saying but don't quite know why??? If you are telling us that if we don't like it then we can leave, then you have the problem. People ARE leaving, not quite in droves, but getting critical. Units in this part of the world (not us) are going off line REGULARLY because no pilot is available to cover the shift. Traditionally, direct employ has had much better pay and conditions..... However, no names, but one company has just given its pilots a SUBSTANTIAL pay increase, yesterday actually. This brings us (whoops) close to the direct employ salaries. That is enough to keep me from looking elsewhere for the time being. I too, LOVE flying, but I hate to be ripped off. We don't ask the earth, just to be fair and equal to our peers.
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Monthly take home pay on a salary of £50,000 per annum is just shy of £3,000. Depending on tax allowances and expenses allowances, it could be slightly more.
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jayteeto: Mr Agincourt, I see what you are saying but don't quite know why??? If you are telling us that if we don't like it then we can leave, then you have the problem. People ARE leaving, not quite in droves, but getting critical. Units in this part of the world (not us) are going off line REGULARLY because no pilot is available to cover the shift.
I too, LOVE flying, but I hate to be ripped off. We don't ask the earth, just to be fair and equal to our peers.
If the employer pays crap wages then don't work for him. It really is that simple and as you indicate, the consequence is that that employer will not get the staff needed and either folds or ups the ante. So long as there are those who are prepared to accept the circumstance then there will be little motivation for rapid change.
A number of years ago I was getting paid 'peanuts' and I knew it - compared to my 'peers' but at the time I really enjoyed the job, the environment I was in and the overall lifestyle. The fact that someone elsewhere was getting more than me for the same job really didn't concern me. But I needed a change and as always I looked for the non money aspects. Quality of life both home and away are surely far more important.
But I do hope things improve and suspect that that will not be in the short term.
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Politics of envy?? I still have my bills to pay, I wish I was as lucky as you where money doesn't matter 
I actually agree with what you say about do it or leave. That is why I left the RAF, didn't like how it was going....... left.
Just for general information, say a unit has 4 pilots. One chief, 3 line. Each on a different contract with different wages, terms and conditions, significantly different. Would you think it unfair that the lowest paid might be a little peeved if he was on thousands less with less perks for doing the same job?? Multiply that by 6 or 7 units. I don't see that as politics of envy, just fairness. My company were one of the better ones (in my opinion), but still could have done better. The latest move is very welcome.
Things are improving, thanks to the people who stuck to their principles. I didn't contribute there, because, like you, quality of life is more important to me, however the company who works on the take it or leave it principle will eventually lose, big time.
I actually agree with what you say about do it or leave. That is why I left the RAF, didn't like how it was going....... left.
Just for general information, say a unit has 4 pilots. One chief, 3 line. Each on a different contract with different wages, terms and conditions, significantly different. Would you think it unfair that the lowest paid might be a little peeved if he was on thousands less with less perks for doing the same job?? Multiply that by 6 or 7 units. I don't see that as politics of envy, just fairness. My company were one of the better ones (in my opinion), but still could have done better. The latest move is very welcome.
Things are improving, thanks to the people who stuck to their principles. I didn't contribute there, because, like you, quality of life is more important to me, however the company who works on the take it or leave it principle will eventually lose, big time.
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Try this site to calculate income after tax.
http://www.pru.co.uk/home/calculator/income_tax/
http://www.pru.co.uk/home/calculator/income_tax/
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If I were in the same unit doing the same job as another but getting less then I would feel a little peeved but that circumstance is pretty common in other work places/work areas where a person will be paid for qualification, experience etc. Though in this case that is probably not applicable. Yes indeed there will be those employers who will loose out big time, provided that they are unable to 'make do'. We shall see.
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Police Jobs - Flight Magazine
This weeks Flight has just landed on my desk (20-26 Nov) and I (like everyone else I suppose!) turned to the back to see what jobs are going. I see that there are 3 Police ASU jobs advertised, interestingly with quite a spread of salaries:
Lancashire: £37671 - £44855
Humberside: £45843 - £48705
W Mids: £45843 - £50013
giving a £12400 spread from top to bottom.
Given that jobs advertised in Flight only represent a proportion of jobs actually available (many filled by word of mouth), this would seem to back up what has been said on other threads regarding shortages of ASU pilots.
As an interested observer, I'll hand it over to those actually involved for comments..!
Lancashire: £37671 - £44855
Humberside: £45843 - £48705
W Mids: £45843 - £50013
giving a £12400 spread from top to bottom.
Given that jobs advertised in Flight only represent a proportion of jobs actually available (many filled by word of mouth), this would seem to back up what has been said on other threads regarding shortages of ASU pilots.
As an interested observer, I'll hand it over to those actually involved for comments..!
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This weeks Flight has just landed on my desk (20-26 Nov) and I (like everyone else I suppose!) turned to the back to see what jobs are going.
Looks like Humberside have dropped their requirement from 3000 to 2000 hours!
..and I bet W.Mids would like to permanently replace the freelancer they are using (at a rumoured £900/shift!)
..and I bet W.Mids would like to permanently replace the freelancer they are using (at a rumoured £900/shift!)
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I've just asked a friend who is a pilot at West Mids and there definitely isn't a job going.
He also informed me that someone is already lined up for the role should a position ever become available.
He also informed me that someone is already lined up for the role should a position ever become available.
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On what you are on why are you bothered
Not sure about advertised jobs?............read the back pages of Flight!
If you want more information, why not call the units direct? Remember, this is a rumour site!!
On what you are on why are you bothered
Not sure about advertised jobs?............read the back pages of Flight!
If you want more information, why not call the units direct? Remember, this is a rumour site!!
Thats the rumour, Handy!
...I even heard the name of the freelancer......
perhaps the unit name was passed on incorrectly.
....or indeed perhaps the whole thing is too far fetched? £900!!
...I even heard the name of the freelancer......
perhaps the unit name was passed on incorrectly.
....or indeed perhaps the whole thing is too far fetched? £900!!