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Old 29th Nov 2007, 07:25
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AH the good old day's
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Old 29th Nov 2007, 07:33
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I was once the "casualty" on a Whirlwind training flight out of Leconfield. We were doing cliff winching training on Flamborough Head. Suddenly I was lifted off the cliff, set down on top of the Head and the Whirlwind disappeared on a non-exercise mission. I was eventually "rescued" by the Coastguard from hordes of assorted holiday makers who thought I was a real casualty and couldn't understand why I had been unceremoniously dumped after being rescued. Made the Sunday papers.

They did come back for me eventually... they said they wanted the immersion suit back
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Old 29th Nov 2007, 08:32
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Return to sender - see 3D's post for the reason they lost - I don't know the details but I think they assumed they would automatically get renewal because they had been the incumbents for so long and the detail of the CHC bid caught them on the hop.

I don't think Bristows will make the same mistake again and yes, if SAR H removes the miltary from SAR, then I probably would apply for a job with the contractors - they are going to have a to find a lot of SAR crews from somewhere and they might even consider letting me in (probably floor sweeping to start with)

When you say harmonisation you actually mean takeover because all attempts at real harmonisation have failed miserably - SAR is done 3 different ways by 3 different service providers with little in the way of commonality.
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Old 29th Nov 2007, 10:28
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I don't think Bristows will make the same mistake again and yes, if SAR H removes the miltary from SAR, then I probably would apply for a job with the contractors - they are going to have a to find a lot of SAR crews from somewhere and they might even consider letting me in (probably floor sweeping to start with)

hahaha with all the slagging you've given civilian SAR!
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Old 29th Nov 2007, 15:52
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Removing the Military from SARH

The military are not being removed from SARH, the ITT specifies that 66 military aircrew will be utilised in the solution. Hope for Crab yet!
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Old 29th Nov 2007, 19:43
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Not normally one to get involved but enjoy the repartee. But one question from 3D's post is what is wrong with your Goodrich hoist? By your admission it seems that it cannot be relied upon.
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 01:59
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Don't worry Crab, your future is safe. When there is a need there is a need. I've known pilots being re-employed by companies who have sworn blind that he would never cast a shadow in their portals again.
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 05:05
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Leopold - you and I both know that the figure of 66 is completely unworkable and just pie in the sky from the MoD. The idea that rearcrew will jump through all the hoops of paramedic training, do FI dets every 24 weeks and then be rewarded with a posting to SH is fanciful, to say the least especailly when there will be so many jobs for them outside. The whole argument that we provided crews to go to SH was false, there have always been far more coming the other way!

CHCoffshore - thanks mate - look forward to working with you

Fareast - I reckon you are right 'needs must when the devil rides' and all that
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Your welcome
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 11:11
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Operation Pie in the Sky

Leopold - you and I both know that the figure of 66 is completely unworkable and just pie in the sky from the MoD. The idea that rearcrew will jump through all the hoops of paramedic training, do FI dets every 24 weeks and then be rewarded with a posting to SH is fanciful, to say the least especailly when there will be so many jobs for them outside. The whole argument that we provided crews to go to SH was false, there have always been far more coming the other way!
When have facts ever got in the way of a juicy contract? Besides, if you look closely at the figures I think you will find that a 24 week interval for the FI det is a trifle optimistic. Still, surely foreign travel and further education is part of the reason for joining the military? Must go, crosswords just don't complete themselves you know.
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 13:19
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So how does this change things for the SAR operations, guys? Better or worse?


http://www.verticalmag.com/control/n...es/?a=6093&z=6
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 13:19
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Sorry Crab but knowing the way the civillian world works you will spend the first two years carrying the brush for the floor sweeper.

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Old 30th Nov 2007, 14:01
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Unstable - it means that when there are no Sea Kings serviceable, the buck stops firmly at AW, except that between them VT and AW will blame each other and nothing will get fixed
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 15:25
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As this is a rumour network - anyone like to comment on a rumour that the VT consortium have pulled out of SAR-H ?
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As this is a rumour network - anyone like to comment on a rumour that the VT consortium have pulled out of SAR-H ?
Yes. No.
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 17:27
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Sadly Crab, there is no such thing as spirit in contracts anymore (if there ever was). And I think we can blame the lawyers for that one.
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Old 1st Dec 2007, 23:00
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I don't think Bristows will make the same mistake again and yes, if SAR H removes the miltary from SAR, then I probably would apply for a job with the contractors - they are going to have a to find a lot of SAR crews from somewhere and they might even consider letting me in (probably floor sweeping to start with)

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I fear with the amount of time you spend on PPRuNe no one will touch you with a barge pole.
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Old 2nd Dec 2007, 10:38
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By your own admission from your post on 21/11 you say that the Goodrich hoist is unreliable. Is this true and if so why is it still fitted. I did put this question on the 29/11 but so far no response.
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Old 2nd Dec 2007, 14:37
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I fear with the amount of time you spend on PPRuNe no one will touch you with a barge pole
I fear that with the little time you have spent on PPRuNe no one would touch you with a barge pole.

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I fear that with the little time you have spent on PPRuNe no one would touch you with a barge pole.


Yes I must remember to update my CV and log my hours spent on PPRuNe, always a job clincher that one
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