CHC MCA Transition
Thanks press - that was what I was after, information without insults and abuse
Wiretensioner - if the junglies can have the Carson blade upgrade why not our SAR cabs - that and a decent avionics fit on the Mk3 might help eke their life out until 2017. The RCS does make grim reading some days and it's the same things that keep going wrong, aggravated by the number of spares that turn up U/S.
Wiretensioner - if the junglies can have the Carson blade upgrade why not our SAR cabs - that and a decent avionics fit on the Mk3 might help eke their life out until 2017. The RCS does make grim reading some days and it's the same things that keep going wrong, aggravated by the number of spares that turn up U/S.
Crab.
"Precious"?? The only person to call me that is my dear old mum. And that was a long time ago!!!
Why would you want to eke out the life of your poor old airframes?? Surely some of them are vintage 1978/79/80ish?(The same as some of the S61's you keep going on about.) If you drag out their lives any longer then where will they work? Harmonisation should be completely up and running well before then! Or have you heard something we should all know about?
However.... I agree with you about Carson blades. If, as was suggested by more than one person who posts on here, they had been fitted to the S61 along with other weightsaving mods. and uprated engines and transmission, in the mid/late eighties (yes that long ago) then perhaps we would not be having all these roundabout discussions!!
U/S spares are not just a Military problem!
"Precious"?? The only person to call me that is my dear old mum. And that was a long time ago!!!
Why would you want to eke out the life of your poor old airframes?? Surely some of them are vintage 1978/79/80ish?(The same as some of the S61's you keep going on about.) If you drag out their lives any longer then where will they work? Harmonisation should be completely up and running well before then! Or have you heard something we should all know about?
However.... I agree with you about Carson blades. If, as was suggested by more than one person who posts on here, they had been fitted to the S61 along with other weightsaving mods. and uprated engines and transmission, in the mid/late eighties (yes that long ago) then perhaps we would not be having all these roundabout discussions!!
U/S spares are not just a Military problem!
Carson
I think the Carson blades have a 30 knot (ish) start up limit which could be a problem especially when operating on the coasts where winds can often be higher than this. But dont quote me.
I think the Carson blades have a 30 knot (ish) start up limit which could be a problem especially when operating on the coasts where winds can often be higher than this. But dont quote me.
Yesterday 20:42
Yesterday 20:42
Where do you come up with this stuff? No source, no reference, no idea - but "I think"!
Have you ever seen a Carson blade, operated a Carson blade, read any of the certification paperwork or a FMS?
If we can't quote you, why bother posting this un-informed nonsense?
3DCam - 2017 is the official out of service date for the mk3 and 3A Sea kings; even if the 2012 contract leads to full civilianisation, the RAF SAR flights won't be handed over immediately. The process is likely to take a couple of years from what I have been told and is unlikely to start until 2014 to 15 - hence the 2017 OSD.
I would like a new aircraft right now but that ain't gonna happen, shuddering along at 110 kts isn't the way to get to a job quickly.
I would like a new aircraft right now but that ain't gonna happen, shuddering along at 110 kts isn't the way to get to a job quickly.
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Crab,
I was trying to answer a couple of points with one answer. A previous Poster queried whether we trained at night on a limited capability SAR aircraft, the answer is yes. Although the spare is held at Sumburgh, when Stornoway (or Portland on the south coast) withdraw their aircraft for maintenance they still carry on with the standby aircraft.
Diminution of proffered service - because the MCA contract is maritime SAR a standard S61 can easily winch from most decks. Searches are hard work as everything is manually flown. Cliffs are OK as the landing/search lights are standard. Persons in the water and liferafts at night are inadvisable.
I was trying to answer a couple of points with one answer. A previous Poster queried whether we trained at night on a limited capability SAR aircraft, the answer is yes. Although the spare is held at Sumburgh, when Stornoway (or Portland on the south coast) withdraw their aircraft for maintenance they still carry on with the standby aircraft.
Diminution of proffered service - because the MCA contract is maritime SAR a standard S61 can easily winch from most decks. Searches are hard work as everything is manually flown. Cliffs are OK as the landing/search lights are standard. Persons in the water and liferafts at night are inadvisable.
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I asked on my original post about Carl Taylor. It was rumoured that he left the MCA shortly after the interim SAR contract award, for employment with CHC,and apparently had a say in the contract award. This seems to be obviously incorrect as no answers are forthcoming. My apologies if I have offended anyone.
No matter what sphere of aviation you operate in, it does take teamwork. Just try and push back from the terminal without check-in staff, engineers, the tug driver. Not fogetting the refueller!!
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I asked on my original post about Carl Taylor. It was rumoured that he left the MCA shortly after the interim SAR contract award, for employment with CHC,and apparently had a say in the contract award. This seems to be obviously incorrect as no answers are forthcoming. My apologies if I have offended anyone.
No matter what sphere of aviation you operate in, it does take teamwork. Just try and push back from the terminal without check-in staff, engineers, the tug driver. Not fogetting the refueller!!
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The spare CG S61's are not standard S61's. They do not have the LN400/450 auto hover system but they do have FLIR, additional search lights (they are not standard S61 lighting), additional navigation equipment etc. They're not great and need replacing like the Sea Kings but they're not standard S61’s.
Lets remember that each base will soon have two new identical full SAR S92's or AW139’s (with the exception of Portland which will have one AW139). This is all good news for SAR and should all happen in the next 12 months (allegedly) and this whole debate can then be put in the archives.
Lets remember that each base will soon have two new identical full SAR S92's or AW139’s (with the exception of Portland which will have one AW139). This is all good news for SAR and should all happen in the next 12 months (allegedly) and this whole debate can then be put in the archives.
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With regard to the last post with Portland having just one new AW139, has anybody thought of the pressure this is going to put on the pilots and engineers. With the S61( and not being a dinosaur) you knew after years of learning and experience what was acceptable to go and fly. This will not happen with a new aircraft, especially with no back up. Although other members who have had the opportunity to fly and maintain the new aircraft you certainly do not accept what they think, albeit in their best interest. After all this is a Rescue service and certainly a casualty who becomes a statistic is one that nobody wants. Just because is daylight only IMHO a second aircraft is required.
One last thing, can anybody tell me why Portland are only daylight? My thought is if they were not busy then they would not be there, but they are and must be a terrific resource for the MCA. Perhaps Carl Taylor with his inside knowledge could answer this, or was he one of them trying to close it down a few years ago.
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One last thing, can anybody tell me why Portland are only daylight? My thought is if they were not busy then they would not be there, but they are and must be a terrific resource for the MCA. Perhaps Carl Taylor with his inside knowledge could answer this, or was he one of them trying to close it down a few years ago.
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Do you ever get the feeling that what is required is not going to happen. A government agency driven by pseudo business ideas led by commercial pressures?
No one is going to come out of this smelling of roses. Bristow must be p*ssing their pants at the goings on. But at the end of the day, Joe public in this country is so apathetic that they can't be bothered to vote, so do you think they care about your precious SAR helicopters? Ask someone from SE2 about SAR. Unless , little Johnny was lost on a lilo (highly unlikely as they would be in the Costas) off Dorset then I don't suppose they would care. They don't care about really important matters, so don't be so presumptuous that they care about you.
Everyone for themselves and dam the rest. Well done, carry on.
No one is going to come out of this smelling of roses. Bristow must be p*ssing their pants at the goings on. But at the end of the day, Joe public in this country is so apathetic that they can't be bothered to vote, so do you think they care about your precious SAR helicopters? Ask someone from SE2 about SAR. Unless , little Johnny was lost on a lilo (highly unlikely as they would be in the Costas) off Dorset then I don't suppose they would care. They don't care about really important matters, so don't be so presumptuous that they care about you.
Everyone for themselves and dam the rest. Well done, carry on.
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Portland is not a daylight only operation!
They are on call from 0900 till 2100, 365 days per year. The aircraft is the same standard as all the other M.C.A. units ie. all weather, fullycoupled, Flir equipped, dual hoist etc.etc. There is no spare aircraft on site, the spare machine at Lee On Solent is used when required. This sad state of affairs came about after the Portland spare aircraft was lost after an in flight engine fire and emergency landing at Poole several years ago while on a job! The M.C.A. would not pay for a replacement, hence, now only one!
The reasons for not being 24hr. are lost in the sands of time but basically it is down to the fact that the R.N. only provided 12hr. cover so the M.C.A. in their wisdom decided to carry on that way. Oh... and they would not fund another 24hr.unit. Money again!
I think that when Portland was under threat of closure, Carl Taylor was not in position with the M.C.A. so I doubt if he would have any idea about it, or anything else come to that! And yes Portland is busy, once in fact, in the not too distant past, the busiest S.A.R. unit in the country after Lossie.
The arrival of the 139 is awaited, and awaited, and awaited. Does anyone have any information at all about this machine?
Portland is not a daylight only operation!
They are on call from 0900 till 2100, 365 days per year. The aircraft is the same standard as all the other M.C.A. units ie. all weather, fullycoupled, Flir equipped, dual hoist etc.etc. There is no spare aircraft on site, the spare machine at Lee On Solent is used when required. This sad state of affairs came about after the Portland spare aircraft was lost after an in flight engine fire and emergency landing at Poole several years ago while on a job! The M.C.A. would not pay for a replacement, hence, now only one!
The reasons for not being 24hr. are lost in the sands of time but basically it is down to the fact that the R.N. only provided 12hr. cover so the M.C.A. in their wisdom decided to carry on that way. Oh... and they would not fund another 24hr.unit. Money again!
I think that when Portland was under threat of closure, Carl Taylor was not in position with the M.C.A. so I doubt if he would have any idea about it, or anything else come to that! And yes Portland is busy, once in fact, in the not too distant past, the busiest S.A.R. unit in the country after Lossie.
The arrival of the 139 is awaited, and awaited, and awaited. Does anyone have any information at all about this machine?
Heli1
Yes, that's what the glossy brochure and C.H.C. say but is there any hard news on the 139 and its development into an all weather SAR machine?
Fully coupled autohover, dual hoist etc.
Also where are the S92's? Is it true that they are still in the U.S.A. waiting for an export license?
Yes, that's what the glossy brochure and C.H.C. say but is there any hard news on the 139 and its development into an all weather SAR machine?
Fully coupled autohover, dual hoist etc.
Also where are the S92's? Is it true that they are still in the U.S.A. waiting for an export license?
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If you are fed up with the bitching on here go to the SAR Harmanization thread in the military forum and see the standard of bitching on there. Well it's not much better because as always it seems to be the same old characters at it hammer and tongs, my willy is bigger than your willy. GROW UP!
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Wiretensioner:
Fully agree with your post, well put. When a perfectly reasonable question starts a new thread but contains the three most priclkly letters in rotary wing aviation (S, A & R) you can guarantee the whole thing will invariably degenerate into the now time honoured pi$$ing contest.
Please guys, keep the SAR threads relevant and on track. It's not difficult; after all, the thread creepers all know who they are!
Fully agree with your post, well put. When a perfectly reasonable question starts a new thread but contains the three most priclkly letters in rotary wing aviation (S, A & R) you can guarantee the whole thing will invariably degenerate into the now time honoured pi$$ing contest.
Please guys, keep the SAR threads relevant and on track. It's not difficult; after all, the thread creepers all know who they are!
Look to Japan for AW139 SAR ops .....I think first are in service or at least delivered so should be well mature by the time MCA catches up.
Re S92 Helidata says first a/c now due in mid June...US State Dept hold up cause of sensitive para military equipment ......obviously frightened they will be hi-jacked by Osama's mates !!
Re S92 Helidata says first a/c now due in mid June...US State Dept hold up cause of sensitive para military equipment ......obviously frightened they will be hi-jacked by Osama's mates !!
I will answer part of my own question myself.
The first S92 will be on the boat to cross the pond next week! Export details are now sorted out.
I will now retreat into the undergrowth for fear of upsetting anyone for trying to find out hard information, which could have a bearing on where and how we live and work. In that order!
The first S92 will be on the boat to cross the pond next week! Export details are now sorted out.
I will now retreat into the undergrowth for fear of upsetting anyone for trying to find out hard information, which could have a bearing on where and how we live and work. In that order!