Bulk Fuel Purchase

[scooter boy]

I am based in Southwest UK and my AVGAS bowser needs a refil.
Any advice on recent prices and helpful contacts would be appreciated.
It's getting so expensive...

Thanks,
SB

[rotorboater]

Avgas is 74p/ltr in the chanell islands, is it possible to go there with a bowser & fill up for personall use? What happens with the customs etc?

[scooter boy]

RB I love CI fuel.

I sometimes fill my Mooney up there weekly in the summer.
Last sunday it was 79p/L including AOPA discount.

Last weekend I dropped in there on the way back from Friedrichshafen and filled my Monroy long range tanks to the brim prior to the 40 min hop back to Plymouth.
Next weekend I am off to Perugia in Italy on CI fuel and will stop off at Jersey on the way back where once again I will fill right up!

I don't think you could get a bowser through customs without being noticed!!!

SB

[rotorboater]

How would the maths stack up if you fly to the CI in a plane, fill the tanks to max and 15 20ltr jerry cans (or equivalent to 3 pax) then fly back & empty fuel into your bowser? As long as its for personall use there should be no problem.

[ericferret]

You could even get a load of duty free fags and chain smoke all the way back throwing the butts in amongst the jerry cans.

[scooter boy]

ever diminishing returns

"You could even get a load of duty free fags and chain smoke all the way back throwing the butts in amongst the jerry cans."

...and turn on the factory installed O2 on maximum whilst taking a drag on a big cigar... for maximum fireball effect.

I reckon I could defuel 400L per trip, six trips and my (2200L) bowser would be full, BUT I would also pay £72 in landing fees at EGJJ and use £358.34 worth of AVGAS in the process. Plus wear and tear on A/C etc...

Now if CI fuel is £0.79 per litre with AOPA discount and the price in Plymouth is £1.02 +Vat then the saving on 2200L would be £899 so subtracting the £358.34 and £72 I would only be £468.66 better off. I reckon I could do it in a day but quite honestly it would be risky and I would far rather have a big tanker come out to my bowser and top it up!

Hmmm....now if I had an RAF tanker aircraft it might be worthwhile, shall we have a show of hands and a whip-round?

SB

[Robbo Jock]

Rent an AN2 - you could do it in one trip!

[nigelh]

While were at it how are prices for Jet A1 thinking of getting a bowzer but i hear that if you take less than say 5-10,000 ltrs it is as expensive as an airport ? Having said that they go from 35 p Heathrow/ Luton 45p Leeds 60p A load of other places !! Is there a list of cheapest fuel anywhere .....now theres a new business Whirls

[500e]

fuel

Hughes 500, buys fuel in south west.

[scooter boy]

Thanks 500e I will PM him but he is probably in the JetA1 market, I am after AVGAS.

Nigelh u r right about more being cheaper - all to do with not splitting the the "pots" in the tanker - more fuel ordered =more bargaining power.

SB

[heli1]

Scooter Boy...have you tried CYMA Petroleum...they will deliver relatively small quantities in the south west ,say 1000 litres ,although I am not up with current prices.

[scooter boy]

CYMA

Thanks Heli1.
I've dealt with them before, I'll give them a call.
SB

[500e]

hughes 500 has at least one 300 as well as the 500

[levo]

avgas

Air total quoted me 80 p litre if you have 4500 litres or 1000 gal big big savings not long befor you pay for bowser .

[Hughes500]

The answer to your question

I used to buy Air Total fuel at Dunkeswell. Due to a problem with the fuel I now bowser down to Exeter and buy at .98p per litre plus vat
Problem with Avgas you need an ADR licence to tow more then 333 litres on the road ( before you ask I have one ). Have tried CYMA but was not happy with the some of the things I have heard about their delivery chain ( rumour only, but with some substance)
Jet is different delivered to home at .36 p per litre

[Gaseous]

Cyma are Ok. I have used tens of thousands of litres of their AVGAS.They used to be a bit sloppy on quantities - now metered - but I have never had any quality problems except a bit of water once. No more than a pint or so. Filter it properly whoever you get it from. I get together with a few friends and place a bigger order. We get a better price that way. He's happy to split an order into three bowsers and invoice us seperately.

[Hairyplane]

CYMA

I have 1000 litres at a time delivered. I think its just under a quid a litre plus the VAT delivered.
Not keen to buy in larger qty's despite the savings and the availability of cheap ex-mil bowsers. I like my gas fresh. I also think I would have to give the lovely Nicky a right good listening to if I came home with a rocking great ex-Army truck. I wouldn't dare ask her where I should park it.....
CYMA are friendly and reliable. There are some short cuts that can be taken to deliver the fuel more quickly and this can be messy and wasteful.
However, the last bloke was very experienced and right on the case.
Be prepared to take it during the evenings or early mornings! ( and the fuel...)
Make sure you can accomodate a huge road tanker too.
Thumbs up for CYMA - perfect for the little guy.
HP

[bvgs]

I bought some drums from Air BP, 200 odd litres at a time but they charge £28 per drum. I bought 4 and asked for a discount, they said no £28.00 each even if all4 delivered at the same time. Anyone know where you can get a cost effective bowser or where they sell the Ex- Army ones. Was quoted £5,500 for 999litre towable one with manual pump and no meter...a bit pricey for me.

[GoodGrief]

You might want to have a look at this
http://www.schuetz.de/schuetz/en/ind...mx/index.phtml

or
http://www.schaefer-shop.de/produktansicht.php#preise

IBCs cost from 259euros (600 l) to 393euros (1000 l )

[muffin]

Cyma deliver mine too at about 1200 litres a drop. Very friendly and reliable. The measurement system is a little quaint but seems to be very accurate.