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Old 28th April 2007 | 07:23
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Thanks good grief but was looking for a site in the UK. for ex-mil bowsers. Anyone else help?
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Old 28th April 2007 | 07:52
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but you will find the ex mil bowsers are a bit dearer than that circa 8 to 20k
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Old 28th April 2007 | 08:53
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Thanks Lartsa, saw that site but you are correct in that they are very expensive. Just have to resort to a few buckets and try not to go over too many bumps in the car!
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Old 28th April 2007 | 11:31
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the company I mentioned before has an office in the UK.
So you obviously want something more sophisticated and more expensive:
try this, we like it a lot for our off airport refuelling.
http://www.saxon.de/532.html?&L=1
They will surely ship it to the UK.
Last I heard the price was around 9000 euros which translates into less than 6000 pounds I guess.
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Old 4th May 2007 | 11:06
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Thanks I'll have a look. In the meantime if anyone has or knows anyone with a bowser for sale please let me know. Thanks
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Old 4th May 2007 | 11:16
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robin at elwood is selling one hers the details



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tel: +44 (0)1434 681421
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Address:
Elwood,
Barrasford,
Hexham,
Northumberland.
HE48 4AN
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Old 4th May 2007 | 12:57
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There are plenty of suppliers of plastic fixed tanks complete with pumps etc.
Could you not fit a long hose or does it need to be mobile ?
Commonly used for industrial / agricultural installations.
Here is one example:
http://www.southerncountiesfuels.co....fuelcentresale
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Old 4th May 2007 | 13:17
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I think Avgas has to be in stainless steel, mine is in very heavy guage 316 - not sure about avtur though
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Old 4th May 2007 | 13:24
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On the basis that avtur is very similar to diesel or heating oil then plastic should work (whether it is CAA approved is entirely another matter!).
I admit to never having seen avgas/mogas in plastic containers.

Going back to Hairyplane's comment regarding freshness; I remember reading quite a detailed report about the ageing of avgas. I think that the conclusion was that, provided that light did not get to it, it aged well (taking care of condensation within the tank, of course).
That said, I would prefer a tank of yesterday's delivery rather than some left over from last year !
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Old 4th May 2007 | 17:53
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When I bought my bowser, it was about half full of avgas which had been delivered to it about 12 months before. I discussed this with the fuel supplier who suggested that it was OK to use but it would be a good idea to top up the tanks with fresh avgas on a 50/50 basis. This I did and had no problems. I now find that I fill it about twice a year, so on average the contents are less than 6 months old. Look up the previous thread to see details of the experiments that Gaseous did a couple of years ago. Mine was made by a company in Birmingham called Trailer Engineering. They are still there and are very helpful.
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Old 8th May 2007 | 19:22
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Av gas bowser

I have just bought a 2000 litre stainless bunded bowser with 15m hose, filter, hand pump, sample jar, fire ex on galvanised frame to take forklift tines to caa standard for about £5000 from mainltd.co.uk
very pleased with it despite a few teething problems
I got it filled by cyma for 90p+vat
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Old 8th May 2007 | 23:18
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Both my static tank and my bowser are ex-brewery vessels. These are ideal. They are beautifully made, stainless steel, thermally insulated, pressure tested with breather valves and calibrated safety valves. They use standard fittings and were available in sizes from 800 to 2500 litres. A friend picked up quite a few from the local brewery for next to nothing when they were having a clear out. I have seen similar vessels available on the web from time to time. Cyma are happy to fill them. I got an 800 and an 1100 litre tank for £200 the pair (quite a few years ago). Avgas remains crystal clear and blue for at least 18 months when stored in these. Avgas is specified to be OK to use, if stored correctly, for 18 months if my memory is correct. We try to make sure it is used within a year. No problems so far.
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Old 9th May 2007 | 13:06
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Little stick

The quaint measureing method is with a Stick I presume ?? this is a Calabrated stick! Cal by Customs\weights and measures, or whatever they call themselves these days.
Very reliable, no moving parts, just make sure they empty the hose into your tank as if it is not on a small pumped hose it can hold 10+ gall or 40 + ltrs
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Old 9th May 2007 | 14:22
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The quaint measureing method is with a Stick I presume


are you refering to the enstrom tank measuring gauge i had a wooden stick calibrated in gallons which i put in the tank

same with you gaseous
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Old 9th May 2007 | 14:37
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I trust the stick more than the Enstrom fuel gauge. See AAIB report on G-BAAU for the reason why.

Cyma use a mechanical digital meter now.
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Old 11th May 2007 | 12:31
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Gaseous, I'd be interested for any info on where I could get such a bowser. Its costing me £15 everytime I go to my local airfield for a fill!!
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Old 11th May 2007 | 13:19
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BVGS. Keep your eye on used process equipment suppliers. Google is your friend. There's a company at Tilbury docks that was selling off this sort of stuff a few years back. I cant remember the name but I'll have a look for an invoice and post it up if I find it.
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Old 11th May 2007 | 18:14
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Thanks gaseous, how's the enstrom flying? Got myself a Raven II now so no carb ice and more power...great! Any help on the bowser would be great.
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Old 15th May 2007 | 10:38
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Helidata often has bowsers advertised for sale.
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Old 16th May 2007 | 12:47
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If you are only supplying fuel for your own use, how often does your Bowser require inspecting to comply with the regulations?
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