What helicopter for SAR in Norway?
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Of course Nick, you could have noted that the length of the EC225 waiting list means that all you can order in that class is the 92 if you want it in 2012.
I guess the fact that it was built against the latest FARs must be the clincher don't you think?
I guess the fact that it was built against the latest FARs must be the clincher don't you think?
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Everything in Norway is politics. Does not matter if it is fighter jets, SAR helicopters or Navy ships. Like Øystein Sunde sings "Staten er blitt en artig gnier, de bruker flere tusen på å spare en tier".
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Haha, yeah. I should have provided a translation. Basically its a song by a famous singer in Norway. He is making mostly comedy songs. Anyway it goeas something like "The State has become a funny cheapskate, using thousands of dollars to save a dime". I guess this goes for most governments around the globe.
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I have to admit it, but the EC225 probably looks the favorite based what's already flying around out there with Bristow and CHC. I'm not that educated and I don't know if the EC225 it meets all the requirements (procurement spec is available through a link kindly provided in an earlier post). Maybe someone more educated can enlighten me.
I see the V-22 is tabled as a potential candidate. That would be a radial choice (I'm not going to get into the debate and bun fight about that aircraft here).
I know that the S-92 is being used for SAR in the UK, but with it's MGB problems (see other threads) and delays for the Canadian military I'd be reluctant.
The AW101 does a great job and has pulled off some great rescues in Canada (sorry, it's called the Cormorant so the Canadian tax payers' don't confuse it with the same EH101 that they cancelled and paid millions of dollars in penalties, only to buy it anyway), but has suffered for whatever reason with regard to availability in Canada and Denmark.
Can anyone tell me, is the NH90 out already?
Anyone want to go into partnership to knock out some newbuild Sea Kings? Do you think we'd get a licence and would anyone buy them??????
I see the V-22 is tabled as a potential candidate. That would be a radial choice (I'm not going to get into the debate and bun fight about that aircraft here).
I know that the S-92 is being used for SAR in the UK, but with it's MGB problems (see other threads) and delays for the Canadian military I'd be reluctant.
The AW101 does a great job and has pulled off some great rescues in Canada (sorry, it's called the Cormorant so the Canadian tax payers' don't confuse it with the same EH101 that they cancelled and paid millions of dollars in penalties, only to buy it anyway), but has suffered for whatever reason with regard to availability in Canada and Denmark.
Can anyone tell me, is the NH90 out already?
Anyone want to go into partnership to knock out some newbuild Sea Kings? Do you think we'd get a licence and would anyone buy them??????
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doesn't Bond off shore run an EC225 for BP jigsaw??
It would be interesting to hear how they get on,headroom was a bit of an issue.
the S-92 seems to work well in the UK enviroment,at least to a non driver
It would be interesting to hear how they get on,headroom was a bit of an issue.
the S-92 seems to work well in the UK enviroment,at least to a non driver
Results of the prequalification process
The Ministry of Justice announced yesterday that it had informed the interested parties of the results of the prequalification process.
The full, joint procurement process is for up to 16 SAR helicopters for Norway with an option for a further 6, and 1 SAR helicopter for Iceland with an option for 2.
The plan is to send the request for tender to the prequalified companies by the beginning of April 2012. First deliveries are expected in 2016 - and the Sea King should then be retired by the end of 2020.
And the prequalified companies are:
Done!
SP
The full, joint procurement process is for up to 16 SAR helicopters for Norway with an option for a further 6, and 1 SAR helicopter for Iceland with an option for 2.
The plan is to send the request for tender to the prequalified companies by the beginning of April 2012. First deliveries are expected in 2016 - and the Sea King should then be retired by the end of 2020.
And the prequalified companies are:
A) AgustaWestland Ltd
B) Eurocopter SAS
C) NHIndustries
D) Sikorsky International Operations Inc.
(Would it be possible perhaps to change the thread name, as EC225 is apparently not a more likely candidate than any of the other 3?)B) Eurocopter SAS
C) NHIndustries
D) Sikorsky International Operations Inc.
Done!
SP
NORDSAR anyones guess who or what will win?
Apart from the debates on here regarding future UK SAR, I've noticed that Eurocopter and AW (more so aggressively with dedicated site in Norwegian)
Eurocopter and Heli-One introduce “Team NORDSAR” as a tailored solution for Norway’s search and rescue helicopter acquisition - Eurocopter, an EADS company
Home | no.agustawestland.com
NH-90 and S-92 are also part of the competition as well, though the Norwegians are spoilt for choice, bar the S-92, Eurocopter or AW be a win win situ.
Interestingly how the Norway SAR framework works, as its the mil a/c but the actual ops funded by the Ministry of Justice.
Best of luck to the winning team.
Eurocopter and Heli-One introduce “Team NORDSAR” as a tailored solution for Norway’s search and rescue helicopter acquisition - Eurocopter, an EADS company
Home | no.agustawestland.com
NH-90 and S-92 are also part of the competition as well, though the Norwegians are spoilt for choice, bar the S-92, Eurocopter or AW be a win win situ.
Interestingly how the Norway SAR framework works, as its the mil a/c but the actual ops funded by the Ministry of Justice.
Best of luck to the winning team.
ITT documents released to Prequalified Candidates
The following was announced on the Projects website:
"The NAWSARH-project reached a major milestone on 11th July 2012 by concluding the Invitation to Tender (ITT) for the main acquisition of AWSAR helicopters, services and training for the replacement of the Sea King. The ITT consists of 37 documents and is issued to the Prequalified Candidates. Deadline for submission of Tender is 18th December 2012."
It appears the documents are not available to the public.
"The NAWSARH-project reached a major milestone on 11th July 2012 by concluding the Invitation to Tender (ITT) for the main acquisition of AWSAR helicopters, services and training for the replacement of the Sea King. The ITT consists of 37 documents and is issued to the Prequalified Candidates. Deadline for submission of Tender is 18th December 2012."
It appears the documents are not available to the public.
Some of the requirements
Not much has been said in this thread regarding what the purpose of this procurement actually is. In case someone should be interested, the following bits and pieces are based on a presentation held for the potential bidders on the 10th of November 2011.
The Whitepaper Proposition for decision to acquire new rescue helicopter etc. for the period of 2013–2020 states:
The Parliament agrees that Ministry of Justice- and the Police can within a frame of 16 800 Mill NOK (approx. 2 300 millon Euro):
The procurement is in cooperation between Norway and Iceland.
Overall Concept and Purpose (Norway)
Provide year-round safety for people in the SAR region at sea, in inaccessible terrain, and in difficult situations where other resources are insufficient.
Capabilities
The range and main capabilities for the Norwegian SAR helicopters have been summarised in four key objectives:
Delivery of SAR helicopters and lifecycle support materials and services
The ILS solution will include all:
In-house assets and services:
Iceland
The Icelandic Government has decided to procure an initial order of
Regulatory framework (only Norway)
It is the Ministry’s objective that the procurement shall be open to both military and civil certified helicopters, and military and civil registration. It is thus the Ministry’s objective that the Candidate may freely choose what he considers most advantageous in order to meet the Ministry’s operational, functional and technical requirements.
The intended helicopter shall prove evidence that it will hold a civil EASA type certificate or military qualification from recognised authority at the latest when preferred bidder is selected.
Options
The Options (6+2) will be considered called for:
The Options shall be valid for a maximum period equalling the length of the maintenance and logistics services.
Award Criteria
Following the negotiations, the contract will be awarded to the Bidder with the economically most advantageous offer, as further detailed in the ITT. The award criteria will be:
Award criteria and Weight
Performance/Quality - 48%
Price - 33%
Risk - 7%
Reliability of delivery - 12%
The Whitepaper Proposition for decision to acquire new rescue helicopter etc. for the period of 2013–2020 states:
The Parliament agrees that Ministry of Justice- and the Police can within a frame of 16 800 Mill NOK (approx. 2 300 millon Euro):
- Enter into a purchase agreement for up to 16 rescue helicopter in the class of 10-20 ton complete with spare parts, equipment- and training packages for mainland of Norway for planned phase-in period 2016–2020. The agreement shall also include options of up to six rescue helicopter of same type.
- Adjust infrastructure, including building adaptation for the selected helicopter type at different bases in addition to the landing possibilities at hospitals that is utilised by the SAR helicopter today
- Establish a contract of long term maintenance and logistics support to support the helicopters operation inside the allocated budget for the whole contract period.
The procurement is in cooperation between Norway and Iceland.
Overall Concept and Purpose (Norway)
Provide year-round safety for people in the SAR region at sea, in inaccessible terrain, and in difficult situations where other resources are insufficient.
- Procure up to 16 new SAR helicopters for the current six SAR operating bases in Norway
- With the aim of keeping minimum of one serviceable helicopter per base 24 hours a day all year round, with a target of 100% readiness.
- The reaction time is 15 minutes.
- The availability requirements will be measured at the interface between the Turnkey provision and the equipment and services performed in-house (by the Operator).
- The main objective is to enable the Operator to obtain the readiness targets, however taking into account life cycle cost effects.
- The final combination of the number of helicopters, availability requirements, and maintenance and logistics services, will hence be subject to negotiations.
Capabilities
The range and main capabilities for the Norwegian SAR helicopters have been summarised in four key objectives:
- To have the capacity to initiate rescue of 20 persons in distress at sea at any point within a range of 150 nautical miles directly out from the straight baseline within two hours and return with the rescuees to a safe place on land. In addition, they must be able to assist two persons at the far perimeter of the Norwegian SAR region with better effect than today. (That is about 400 NM out form the baseline. I believe the area of responsibility sector was recently extended to the 90 degrees N, which would add another 300 NM to this requirement!)
- To assist persons in distress on land and in inaccessible terrain, and in other emergency situations where other resources are insufficient, quickly and in a safe manner year-round. (Eg. OGE hover at 8 100 feet, operate down to about minus 50 degrees)
- To continue the present established practice to conduct air ambulance services, where the health service’s own helicopters are unsuitable.
- To carry out other missions of public importance (military missions, support to special police missions, specialised fire fighting, emergency relief, environmental protection, and other missions of public interest aimed at protecting assets or the environment).
Delivery of SAR helicopters and lifecycle support materials and services
The ILS solution will include all:
- life-cycle support logistics materials and
- services and
- some training and
- maintenance services, (not applicable for Iceland)
- during the implementation phase and for an envisaged duration of ten years
- Some assets (e.g. base facilities) and services (e.g. line maintenance) shall be provided or undertaken by the Ministry,
- Some assets and services will be made available to the Bidders for incorporation in the Turnkey solution if considered appropriate by the Bidder.
In-house assets and services:
- Operated by 330 sqd as today (Air Force)
- SAR operating bases as today (6 bases on the mainland)
- Line maintenance
Iceland
The Icelandic Government has decided to procure an initial order of
- one new long-range rescue helicopter
- with a purchase option of two more helicopters.
- Iceland will perform line and base maintenance in-house, and acquire other necessary services.
Regulatory framework (only Norway)
It is the Ministry’s objective that the procurement shall be open to both military and civil certified helicopters, and military and civil registration. It is thus the Ministry’s objective that the Candidate may freely choose what he considers most advantageous in order to meet the Ministry’s operational, functional and technical requirements.
The intended helicopter shall prove evidence that it will hold a civil EASA type certificate or military qualification from recognised authority at the latest when preferred bidder is selected.
- The Ministry intention is not to close the question of helicopter register until the time of selecting the preferred bidder, based on his best overall offer.
- Please note that in order to allow a change in the future register (i.e. to a civil register) it is required that operational flexibility in relation to SAR and air ambulance operations is upheld.
- Whether this is obtainable is pending clarifications from the MoD, CAA-N and EASA.
- Hence, the Ministry reserves the right to revisit the required regulatory regime as necessary due to EASAs response, or if otherwise required to do so in order to comply with the prerequisite of operational flexibility.
Options
The Options (6+2) will be considered called for:
- At Svalbard to replace the current SAR helicopters (Presently one AWSAR AS332L1/ one AS365N2)
- On the mainland Norway:
–in case of loss of a Helicopter,
–if the number of SAR Operating Bases at the Norwegian mainland should be increased in the future, or
–due to any other presently unforeseen or uncontrollable circumstance.
Iceland to replace existing SAR helicopters–if the number of SAR Operating Bases at the Norwegian mainland should be increased in the future, or
–due to any other presently unforeseen or uncontrollable circumstance.
The Options shall be valid for a maximum period equalling the length of the maintenance and logistics services.
Award Criteria
Following the negotiations, the contract will be awarded to the Bidder with the economically most advantageous offer, as further detailed in the ITT. The award criteria will be:
Award criteria and Weight
Performance/Quality - 48%
Price - 33%
Risk - 7%
Reliability of delivery - 12%
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