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Mayotte
My apologies for lapsing into the local vernacular. A 'ginger beer' is, in rhyming slang, the name for an 'engineer'. In other words it was the technical application of the differences that caused the grief.
That said I'm not sure I would like to jump into the SPZ7000 from the Ham Stan, the Trimble 2000 to the Garmin 500 or the C30 to the FADEC of the C++ with just a 'differences course' unless that course was carried out in the recipients native tongue by a sim school that knew the difference between 'attending' a course and 'passing' a course.
We were specially handicapped down in my favorite corner of South America because it was de rigour to 'appoint' instructors rather than 'train' instructors despite the regulations.
This has inevitably led to the blind leading the blind when more complex types are introduced into service. Add to this the lack of a simulator culture, a general lack of quality training of any kind in the offshore community and we have a powerful recipe for lack of competence amongst a workforce that has tremendous ability and potential - if only the 'system' would deliver the necessary training and the 'system' took a look at the goings on in other parts of the world (FAA/JAA/Shell/Exxon-Mobil/Total etc.) and learnt from them.
It doesn't help to have the worlds largest concentration of helo sim schools locked up behind a visa system that makes it very difficult for the would-be student to actually get there. Maybe that wrong will be righted in the coming years.
Sorry about the thread-creep - at least we are keeping the mudslingers in their prams and getting away from the usual pointless Sikorsky-Eurocopter slanging match.
2006 ended on a very sad note for the offshore guys in particular but the sun is shining on this New Year's morning, I'll take that as a sign that we are in for a brighter 2007.
Now I've got to shake off the hangover and help the wife tidy up after last night's celebrations. The best to you all from a bright but blowy south western corner of UK.
G
That said I'm not sure I would like to jump into the SPZ7000 from the Ham Stan, the Trimble 2000 to the Garmin 500 or the C30 to the FADEC of the C++ with just a 'differences course' unless that course was carried out in the recipients native tongue by a sim school that knew the difference between 'attending' a course and 'passing' a course.
We were specially handicapped down in my favorite corner of South America because it was de rigour to 'appoint' instructors rather than 'train' instructors despite the regulations.
This has inevitably led to the blind leading the blind when more complex types are introduced into service. Add to this the lack of a simulator culture, a general lack of quality training of any kind in the offshore community and we have a powerful recipe for lack of competence amongst a workforce that has tremendous ability and potential - if only the 'system' would deliver the necessary training and the 'system' took a look at the goings on in other parts of the world (FAA/JAA/Shell/Exxon-Mobil/Total etc.) and learnt from them.
It doesn't help to have the worlds largest concentration of helo sim schools locked up behind a visa system that makes it very difficult for the would-be student to actually get there. Maybe that wrong will be righted in the coming years.
Sorry about the thread-creep - at least we are keeping the mudslingers in their prams and getting away from the usual pointless Sikorsky-Eurocopter slanging match.
2006 ended on a very sad note for the offshore guys in particular but the sun is shining on this New Year's morning, I'll take that as a sign that we are in for a brighter 2007.
Now I've got to shake off the hangover and help the wife tidy up after last night's celebrations. The best to you all from a bright but blowy south western corner of UK.
G
Mayotte,
Doesn’t every C+ has the IIDS & DECU and it’s the C that just has the DECU?
The C’s I flew where like that but the S76 fleet is not really known for “standard” instrumentation packages so I’m not 100% sure.
Greetings & happy New Year,
Finalchecksplease
Doesn’t every C+ has the IIDS & DECU and it’s the C that just has the DECU?
The C’s I flew where like that but the S76 fleet is not really known for “standard” instrumentation packages so I’m not 100% sure.
Greetings & happy New Year,
Finalchecksplease
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Geoffers,
Thanks for illustrating my point to a degree. An almost identical aircraft that was giving the techs a headache. The physical differences under the cowlings are almost sure to have led to things rubbing/chafing etc and this on a 30 year old type.
I think it is a grand thing to aspire to perfection and totally accurate and intuitive CAD, but the facts of the issue are that PEOPLE still assemble them and they are not infallible.
Blue skies for 2007 all of you.
Thanks for illustrating my point to a degree. An almost identical aircraft that was giving the techs a headache. The physical differences under the cowlings are almost sure to have led to things rubbing/chafing etc and this on a 30 year old type.
I think it is a grand thing to aspire to perfection and totally accurate and intuitive CAD, but the facts of the issue are that PEOPLE still assemble them and they are not infallible.
Blue skies for 2007 all of you.
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The S76C doesn't have a DECU. It has Arriel 1S1 engines and the only real difference between it and the 76A++ is that A++ is an upgraded A+ (gearbox beef up), whilst the C was built as a C from scratch and has the more powerful gearbox installed on the production line.
Yes all C+ models have DECU as they have the Arriel 2S1 engines fitted. The older models were fitted with conventional engine instruments and DDR (DECU digital readout) and the IIDS came along later.
The S76C doesn't have a DECU. It has Arriel 1S1 engines and the only real difference between it and the 76A++ is that A++ is an upgraded A+ (gearbox beef up), whilst the C was built as a C from scratch and has the more powerful gearbox installed on the production line.
Yes all C+ models have DECU as they have the Arriel 2S1 engines fitted. The older models were fitted with conventional engine instruments and DDR (DECU digital readout) and the IIDS came along later.
Newer Mod
The SUV thing is typical of any short wheel base, high Center of Gravity vehicle. Lord knows the US Army Jeep killed more GI's than did the enemy....certainly the case for the M-151 Jeep of the Vietnam War Era.
Modern pickup trucks now have the fuel tanks "inside" the frame rails vice outside as they did for ages. That was the result of accidents, research studies, and changes in the Federal law.
Nothing is as unforgiving as the Air when combined with gravity. The Sea runs a very close second. Neither of which surpass a woman scorned!
Modern pickup trucks now have the fuel tanks "inside" the frame rails vice outside as they did for ages. That was the result of accidents, research studies, and changes in the Federal law.
Nothing is as unforgiving as the Air when combined with gravity. The Sea runs a very close second. Neither of which surpass a woman scorned!
But I tend to agree with you regarding customers receiving value whatever they spend money on, if the manufacturer had to reimburse fully for down time some of the long waits for bugs to be sorted, spares to be made, available would disappear.
The reply we get to to queries complaints to manufacturers are 1, your the only person with this problem! 2, not heard of that before, will look into it.
Then either AD to say shorter examination times or replace parts at lower life ALL extra cost to operators, without FULL recompense.
I fully understand that problems arise that no one can envisage,but previous contact regarding, spares, maintenance, will affect the way you react and your tolerance to delay if you are a P***d off due to spare delays, you are already checking the bottom line, and will not feel it is up to you to be reasonable.
