Huey saga set to land in court
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Hell man, if you guys can build **** on top of the Statasphere Tower which in my eyes is way worse than having a ride on a Huey.....
Anything can be achieved when one sets their mind to it. Im more than sure one could start a Huey operation in the states and make gooooooooog coin.
We might just give it a go and you may fly for us as long as you promise not to drop anything
Now that the Huey has a proper hook,(must be the one that was paid for and is missing from the B model), I guess things will work out better...
Sticky fingers also cause problems over here, not so in SA.
Next..............
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Mr B, i found the foloowing on a search (google). It appears that you do have a crowd in the US of A doing what we do.
HUEY HELICOPTER RIDES
We are the only organization authorized by the F.A.A. to give rides to the public in authentic combat service military Huey helicopters flown by combat veterans. You are encouraged to take part in this unique experience and see what it feels like to fly in the ICON of helicopters –fully equipped for a Vietnam era air assault. Always a tremendously popular extra air show offering during our past performances.
Additional informational materials are available on our organization, our purpose, and content of the three (3) air show programs we offer telling the story of Army Aviation and the American soldier from World War II, Korea, and Vietnam by contacting Skip Davis (office: 404-508-7041 or cell:770-617-2249) or Mike Brady (office:770-486-8785 or Cell: 770-378-6358).
I have a flyer here that we picked up from the ArmyAv group in the states with all the rates etc. I would like to post it here but first i need to get it scanned and then will need to educate myself as how to post it. (Will let you know once it is scanned).
IM all for people experiencing Huey rides.
Lastly Mr B, and all the Tassies' lovers, i would glady lay it all out (the drinks and snacks) if you want a tour of our AMO. Helibase is quickly becoming a top class AMO with proper AME's, trainees etc.
All aircraft documentation is in place, the parts and spares that we have can be traced. All the changes have being due to hard work from a team of professionals. (Putco & Huey teams)
Im sure that you of all people Mr B, should have something good to say if you had the time to pop in and inspect yourself...
How was that Mexican chow in Dallas??? Burn the ol rear vavle...???
HUEY HELICOPTER RIDES
We are the only organization authorized by the F.A.A. to give rides to the public in authentic combat service military Huey helicopters flown by combat veterans. You are encouraged to take part in this unique experience and see what it feels like to fly in the ICON of helicopters –fully equipped for a Vietnam era air assault. Always a tremendously popular extra air show offering during our past performances.
Additional informational materials are available on our organization, our purpose, and content of the three (3) air show programs we offer telling the story of Army Aviation and the American soldier from World War II, Korea, and Vietnam by contacting Skip Davis (office: 404-508-7041 or cell:770-617-2249) or Mike Brady (office:770-486-8785 or Cell: 770-378-6358).
I have a flyer here that we picked up from the ArmyAv group in the states with all the rates etc. I would like to post it here but first i need to get it scanned and then will need to educate myself as how to post it. (Will let you know once it is scanned).
IM all for people experiencing Huey rides.
Lastly Mr B, and all the Tassies' lovers, i would glady lay it all out (the drinks and snacks) if you want a tour of our AMO. Helibase is quickly becoming a top class AMO with proper AME's, trainees etc.
All aircraft documentation is in place, the parts and spares that we have can be traced. All the changes have being due to hard work from a team of professionals. (Putco & Huey teams)
Im sure that you of all people Mr B, should have something good to say if you had the time to pop in and inspect yourself...
How was that Mexican chow in Dallas??? Burn the ol rear vavle...???
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LH,
You sound like your happier than a Pig in hot poo. Bottom Line is Im sure nothing has changed in the saga except the time of day.
Interesting, all new Parts etc? Wonder who loses on that one.
You sound like your happier than a Pig in hot poo. Bottom Line is Im sure nothing has changed in the saga except the time of day.
Interesting, all new Parts etc? Wonder who loses on that one.
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That would be great. The last two times I visited HeliBase and sought out your boss to inform him I was there (I don't sneak around), he told me I was not welcome 
Lastly Mr B, and all the Tassies' lovers, i would glady lay it all out (the drinks and snacks) if you want a tour of our AMO.
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Hello Dean, i believe we have met so i have no problem with you and im not going to pick a bone with you either. However i just would like to point out to you that the boss does not like people just arriving here and strolling around at their own accord.
Almost everyday we have people arriving here wanting to have a look around. It really is not nice having to tell someone that they cant go in for a gander but you need to understand that we have teams working on various projects under AMO approval 938.
I cant just rock up at Ysterplaat and expect to take photos of a Oryx or whatever it is that is hangered there???? Do you agree?
Dean, im sure that you misunderstood the boss. The Putco is +- 8 days away from ground runs and he does not want people taking pics of it etc before it is ready. ( The boss did inform you that he would let you know when you may come and take pics)
I personally will call you when we are ready. Lunch/drinks will be on me and you can take as many pics as you like.
Till then, Cheers.
Almost everyday we have people arriving here wanting to have a look around. It really is not nice having to tell someone that they cant go in for a gander but you need to understand that we have teams working on various projects under AMO approval 938.
I cant just rock up at Ysterplaat and expect to take photos of a Oryx or whatever it is that is hangered there???? Do you agree?
Dean, im sure that you misunderstood the boss. The Putco is +- 8 days away from ground runs and he does not want people taking pics of it etc before it is ready. ( The boss did inform you that he would let you know when you may come and take pics)
I personally will call you when we are ready. Lunch/drinks will be on me and you can take as many pics as you like.
Till then, Cheers.
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Hey Bert, have a good weekend behind the keyboard? All the Huey Xtreme pilots had a BUSY weekend here in CT. How bout you... do any flyin? Seems that even if the Brothers G were to post ALL documentation regarding ALL the aircraft, you would still find fault! Twould be a pity if this thread ran dry, wouldnt it?
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However i just would like to point out to you that the boss does not like people just arriving here and strolling around at their own accord.
All the Huey Xtreme pilots had a BUSY weekend here in CT
ALL documentation regarding ALL the aircraft
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Latent Heat wrote:
As per my post above, I do not just stroll around on my own accord. I never have enter any hangar, anywhere, without permission.
Whenever I arrived at HeliBase, I went straight to G to inform him I was there. His office is not in the hangar, therefore, I have not been in the hangar for quite some time. If I see a person outside of the hangar that I know, then I will go up to them to say hello.
Even when I was invited by some of the other employees there to see inside the hangar, I refused as G said I was I not welcome at that time.
I hope this clears up the wrong impression that readers may have from reading your post. Case closed.
However i just would like to point out to you that the boss does not like people just arriving here and strolling around at their own accord.
Whenever I arrived at HeliBase, I went straight to G to inform him I was there. His office is not in the hangar, therefore, I have not been in the hangar for quite some time. If I see a person outside of the hangar that I know, then I will go up to them to say hello.
Even when I was invited by some of the other employees there to see inside the hangar, I refused as G said I was I not welcome at that time.
I hope this clears up the wrong impression that readers may have from reading your post. Case closed.
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Quote: "The Putco is +- 8 days away from ground runs and he does not want people taking pics of it etc before it is ready."
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Heard that the mechanic wired up something wrong and blew all the instrument electrics and instruments on the Frelon
So will it still be ready in 8 days? I wonder!
Now if a mechanic don't even know how to connect a battery or an APU, and blows all the instruments, then I don't think anyone should be getting close to flying in those things. Certain death for sure! What a mechanic! And this is supposed to be the Chief Mechanic. Makes you wonder about their ability as mechanics and delivering quality workmanship huh? Certified AMO and all! Seems it's the usual DW 40 and locking wire type of work!
Rumour has it that the Huey's been flying out of the Waterfront again since Saturday after being down for 3 weeks due to "extensive maintenance." Extensive maintenance being the refit of engine, gearbox and other major components, due to the gearbox and engine blowing up some 4 weeks ago. Rumour has it that the retrofitted components have been removed from the SWFA 205 now stripped to pieces in the Helibase hangar, this in spite of the fact that the SWFA Huey is under jurisdiction of the Sheriff's Office, and may legally not be tampered with.
Neither the Waterfront Company or the SACAA seems to know anything about the Huey being compliant. SACAA boys says it will never be compliant as the owners can't get insurance, and flying a commercial operation without any form of insurance whatsoever, is a certain NO - NO!
I stil cannot understand how these guys can get away operating it as a 15 pax machine, especially out of a public facility like the Waterfront with no insurance whatsoever. It's criminal! Can you imagine the consequences in the event of an accident? Was this not the main reason why the Waterfront Company won their case on appeal? The fact that it carried no insurance and was potentially a liability in case of an incident/accident at the Waterfront?
Can anyone tell me why the SACAA are still condoning this operation?
No Part 121 or 135 operation can go anywhere without insurance, so why this one?
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Heard that the mechanic wired up something wrong and blew all the instrument electrics and instruments on the Frelon So will it still be ready in 8 days? I wonder!
Now if a mechanic don't even know how to connect a battery or an APU, and blows all the instruments, then I don't think anyone should be getting close to flying in those things. Certain death for sure! What a mechanic! And this is supposed to be the Chief Mechanic. Makes you wonder about their ability as mechanics and delivering quality workmanship huh? Certified AMO and all! Seems it's the usual DW 40 and locking wire type of work!
Rumour has it that the Huey's been flying out of the Waterfront again since Saturday after being down for 3 weeks due to "extensive maintenance." Extensive maintenance being the refit of engine, gearbox and other major components, due to the gearbox and engine blowing up some 4 weeks ago. Rumour has it that the retrofitted components have been removed from the SWFA 205 now stripped to pieces in the Helibase hangar, this in spite of the fact that the SWFA Huey is under jurisdiction of the Sheriff's Office, and may legally not be tampered with.
Neither the Waterfront Company or the SACAA seems to know anything about the Huey being compliant. SACAA boys says it will never be compliant as the owners can't get insurance, and flying a commercial operation without any form of insurance whatsoever, is a certain NO - NO!
I stil cannot understand how these guys can get away operating it as a 15 pax machine, especially out of a public facility like the Waterfront with no insurance whatsoever. It's criminal! Can you imagine the consequences in the event of an accident? Was this not the main reason why the Waterfront Company won their case on appeal? The fact that it carried no insurance and was potentially a liability in case of an incident/accident at the Waterfront?
Can anyone tell me why the SACAA are still condoning this operation?
No Part 121 or 135 operation can go anywhere without insurance, so why this one?
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Super Frelons
Looking for info on the aircraft at Helibase,in particular whether there are any spares around or wrecked airframes with the instrument panel intact ( with or without instruments ).Needed to restore static display SF in the UK.
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Looking for info on the aircraft at Helibase,in particular whether there are any spares around or wrecked airframes with the instrument panel intact ( with or without instruments ).Needed to restore static display SF in the UK.
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the Huey in Cape Town
hey A I,
Dont be so pekkish about the details, now that Jamies helo is stripped bare and the plate went travelling , all the "Genuine 205" bits are gracing the skies of the Waterfront again. Only problem, when the Jakkals scammed Jamie the good old Southerner unfotunately hung onto the logbooks and logcards , hence the "Lost at sea" , so when the new pilot John Centrefold had another engine failure last month, failure 3 of 05, totalling 7 already, the need for real parts was accelerated. Now, we have real parts, slightly hot as Jamie is still the owner, with no paperwork etc. etc . as before. but still gracing the skies, and assembled by the lawnmower mechanic. I agree, if we can make this summer with not too many forced landings then the insurance and operating certificate and real pilots is not so important. However, if brother Jamie should get to Cape Town and claim his bits or the 700 USD he is owed it would make all those other things extra superflous. Wonder what it cost to get the Sherriff to release Jamies helo to the hoods. Mind you, the judge came quite cheap also. Ag well , the price of bussiness in the Cape. Thats why the LSD is now a permanent staff member of Hoods Inc so that the daily appearance at the Cape High Circus is not so expensive, Drop out labour has gotta be the cheaper route to go, it works with the labour on the hangar floor.
Grace the skies.
Dont be so pekkish about the details, now that Jamies helo is stripped bare and the plate went travelling , all the "Genuine 205" bits are gracing the skies of the Waterfront again. Only problem, when the Jakkals scammed Jamie the good old Southerner unfotunately hung onto the logbooks and logcards , hence the "Lost at sea" , so when the new pilot John Centrefold had another engine failure last month, failure 3 of 05, totalling 7 already, the need for real parts was accelerated. Now, we have real parts, slightly hot as Jamie is still the owner, with no paperwork etc. etc . as before. but still gracing the skies, and assembled by the lawnmower mechanic. I agree, if we can make this summer with not too many forced landings then the insurance and operating certificate and real pilots is not so important. However, if brother Jamie should get to Cape Town and claim his bits or the 700 USD he is owed it would make all those other things extra superflous. Wonder what it cost to get the Sherriff to release Jamies helo to the hoods. Mind you, the judge came quite cheap also. Ag well , the price of bussiness in the Cape. Thats why the LSD is now a permanent staff member of Hoods Inc so that the daily appearance at the Cape High Circus is not so expensive, Drop out labour has gotta be the cheaper route to go, it works with the labour on the hangar floor.
Grace the skies.
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Yeah right... with other people's equipment!
Rumour has it that SWFA's lawyers conducted an inspection at the Helibase yesterday, and found the SWFA 205 stripped and painted green.
So yeah, whop whop whop ching ching ching, with engine and other major equipment unlawfully removed from the SWFA 205 and planted on the Junk Huey.
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves... the way you rip off innocent people.
Rumour has it that SWFA's lawyers conducted an inspection at the Helibase yesterday, and found the SWFA 205 stripped and painted green.
So yeah, whop whop whop ching ching ching, with engine and other major equipment unlawfully removed from the SWFA 205 and planted on the Junk Huey.
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves... the way you rip off innocent people.
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Alwaysinverted, you have your story "up-side down" again.
Its so very clear that you feed off trash that gets thrown out.
Gobble, grunt, snort, the next load is on the way!
Its so very clear that you feed off trash that gets thrown out.
Gobble, grunt, snort, the next load is on the way!
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WHOP, WHOP, WHOP
Heres hoping you dont have to listen to WHOP, WHOP, WHOP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.
If in fact these aircraft are all mixed up, it may be an engineering nightmare. Same torque / power settings on some parts will make others fail.......
Be careful out there, your really in over your heads.
Heres hoping you dont have to listen to WHOP, WHOP, WHOP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.
If in fact these aircraft are all mixed up, it may be an engineering nightmare. Same torque / power settings on some parts will make others fail.......
Be careful out there, your really in over your heads.
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Howzit A.I. For someone who ACTUALLY flew the Huey ( however legally or not) I would think you would know the difference between a 205 and a 205 A1. Perhaps you could explain the diff to those out there who actually believe the crud you spread, so that they can understand why virtually NONE of the components from Jamie's machine can be used on ZU-CVC.
Unless they snuck in here during the night, there was no inspection at Helibase that anyone is aware of. If there was, the inspectors are colourblind. The 205 A1 has been preserved, in accordance with the court order, and currently stands painted in Chromate primer, which looks yellow to me. All the other components are stored in the component shop for all to see.... still painted BLUE.
As for ripping people off... maybe you WOULD buy an aircraft without the promised documents and component records? Jamie gets his cheque as soon as those docs arrive, no foul there.
YOU should be ashamed of YOURself!
Unless they snuck in here during the night, there was no inspection at Helibase that anyone is aware of. If there was, the inspectors are colourblind. The 205 A1 has been preserved, in accordance with the court order, and currently stands painted in Chromate primer, which looks yellow to me. All the other components are stored in the component shop for all to see.... still painted BLUE.
As for ripping people off... maybe you WOULD buy an aircraft without the promised documents and component records? Jamie gets his cheque as soon as those docs arrive, no foul there.
YOU should be ashamed of YOURself!
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Cheers Mates!!!!! I dont understand what seems to be the real problem here....it would appear to me that money could be put in an escrow and then released once the purchaser receives the documents he is waiting for. The previous huey was probably done in this manner. Then it would seem to me the problem would be solved. I also dont understand how these gentlemen have become experts on the hueys on the ins and out of the mechanics concerning the aircraft. In reading some books that I have on the maintenance of the huey, I dont recall it stating that you must primer coat an aircraft to treat for shipboard corrosion especially when the aircraft is already painted and one is not suppose to change the paint scheme until ones owns the aircraft. It could have been washed and CPC applied to the aircraft for protection. I guess I am at a loss as to why you would change the paint scheme when you dont own an aircraft unless the Jakkals intend to defraud I would think this owner might be highly upset when he finds this out. If in fact parts have been removed and the purchaser doesnt have the records...I would like to understand how he is recording the hours being put on these components whether they can be used from one aircraft to another or not. A short time ago I visited the area and noticed that the N number had been removed. I wonder what the FAA would think about that. I looked up on the site for the FAA and noticed that the aircraft is still registered in the United States and is not showing being exported or deregistered. Here is a link if you would like to view as well http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/defimg.asp the N number was N90057. How is a AMO authorized to do maintenance on a FAA registered huey? I think the issue here is that there is definitely something amiss. One would like to be a fly on the wall.
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Lighthouse
Since your new to the game, at least under that name. let us just say that is what may work in the Normal world..
Me thinks your light is on brighter than you make known.....
As to the FAA........Heres a clue. The Aircraft is no longer in Estados Undios. South Africa is joining the third world so the FA&A may not be welcome.......Hey, The SACAA is not welcome if thats any clue...
I think its time for that mighty one to intervene.... Super Lawyer.......
Lastly you mention "definitely something amiss" Your almost the brightest candle on the cake there.
Since your new to the game, at least under that name. let us just say that is what may work in the Normal world..
Me thinks your light is on brighter than you make known.....
As to the FAA........Heres a clue. The Aircraft is no longer in Estados Undios. South Africa is joining the third world so the FA&A may not be welcome.......Hey, The SACAA is not welcome if thats any clue...
I think its time for that mighty one to intervene.... Super Lawyer.......
Lastly you mention "definitely something amiss" Your almost the brightest candle on the cake there.
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Welcome Lighthouseman. Regarding the escrow... All funds such as those in question SHOULD go through the reserve bank. The owner dictated the terms. He has also already recieved half of the total sum.
The extent of the damage done to the helo by the freight co prompted the stripping and priming. As for the hours put on the components... what hours? They're neatly racked in the Huey component shop... come see for yourself, you, CAA and anyone else who wants to is welcome to come check for themselves.
Why has no one ever taken the Brothers G up on this offer, scared this thread might run dry??
Could professional jealousy be the reason for all this rumour mongering? I hope that IS the reason, rather than just childish obstructiveness and presonal vendetta. Don't you have something better to do with your time (like flying), or don't you lot really do any of that either. (not directed solely at you Lighthouse) Hope you all have a fantastic day, fly safe
The extent of the damage done to the helo by the freight co prompted the stripping and priming. As for the hours put on the components... what hours? They're neatly racked in the Huey component shop... come see for yourself, you, CAA and anyone else who wants to is welcome to come check for themselves.
Why has no one ever taken the Brothers G up on this offer, scared this thread might run dry??
Could professional jealousy be the reason for all this rumour mongering? I hope that IS the reason, rather than just childish obstructiveness and presonal vendetta. Don't you have something better to do with your time (like flying), or don't you lot really do any of that either. (not directed solely at you Lighthouse) Hope you all have a fantastic day, fly safe