Air Ambulance - Police Helicopter
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Air Ambulance - Police Helicopter
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In response to Mike Usherwoods letter in Septembers Pilot magazine could we all please at least pledge £1 for a start to HEMS in town or if you know a better one ANY air ambulance?
Here is HEMS. i can't seem to find a separate one for a central AA set up.
http://www.hems-london.org.uk/
As has been raised Police are fully gov funded to watch us and even more maddening, keep residents of newmarket awake to recover £30 of stolen fuel.... ( Remind me how much it costs to even start a twin turb helo?...
Frustratingly i watched a cheesey programme about Police flyers. Nothing personal but when PAS were being introduced they were almost always mult-Role ie pas and Medi. Now i have just had to watch a man with his foot hanging off in fairly obvious pain wait while a police helicopter ( notar ) shuts down and uhms and ahh's re returning a patient from a pretty inhospitable/ driving to place. HE IS THERE HES HAS THE SPACE WHY NOT REDUCE POTENTIAL TRAUMA AND IMMEDIATELY ACCEPT THE PATIENT. Plus also accept that the usefulness of a landing in a tight spot i guess ( not as an expert ) would be a nice thing to keep sharp with.
From my own selfish point of view i would like to think that if ever i needed to be dealt with quickly in a medical way my chances of doing what i am doing right now are greatly increased. With the provision of the rapid transfer by air.
Could we also stop wasting the tax on pointless launches by pas and put it the way of the Air Ambulances who we never know when we could need.
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In response to Mike Usherwoods letter in Septembers Pilot magazine could we all please at least pledge £1 for a start to HEMS in town or if you know a better one ANY air ambulance?
Here is HEMS. i can't seem to find a separate one for a central AA set up.
http://www.hems-london.org.uk/
As has been raised Police are fully gov funded to watch us and even more maddening, keep residents of newmarket awake to recover £30 of stolen fuel.... ( Remind me how much it costs to even start a twin turb helo?...
Frustratingly i watched a cheesey programme about Police flyers. Nothing personal but when PAS were being introduced they were almost always mult-Role ie pas and Medi. Now i have just had to watch a man with his foot hanging off in fairly obvious pain wait while a police helicopter ( notar ) shuts down and uhms and ahh's re returning a patient from a pretty inhospitable/ driving to place. HE IS THERE HES HAS THE SPACE WHY NOT REDUCE POTENTIAL TRAUMA AND IMMEDIATELY ACCEPT THE PATIENT. Plus also accept that the usefulness of a landing in a tight spot i guess ( not as an expert ) would be a nice thing to keep sharp with.
From my own selfish point of view i would like to think that if ever i needed to be dealt with quickly in a medical way my chances of doing what i am doing right now are greatly increased. With the provision of the rapid transfer by air.
Could we also stop wasting the tax on pointless launches by pas and put it the way of the Air Ambulances who we never know when we could need.
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Well the East Anglian Air Ambulance always gets my support.
I even volunteered to do a sponsored non-banjo playing session for them i.e. Fiver for the Air Ambulance or she'll start playing the banjo! That event got cancelled unfortunately!
However, there may be other issues as to why the police didn't accept the patient. Insurance maybe and also liability if something goes wrong. I know this is something I was warned about during first aid training. Sad I know but indicative of the society in which we now live.
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I even volunteered to do a sponsored non-banjo playing session for them i.e. Fiver for the Air Ambulance or she'll start playing the banjo! That event got cancelled unfortunately!
However, there may be other issues as to why the police didn't accept the patient. Insurance maybe and also liability if something goes wrong. I know this is something I was warned about during first aid training. Sad I know but indicative of the society in which we now live.
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Worth every penny and more. I'd like them to turn up fairly quickly if the Yak stops Yakking. Wouldn't you?
Worth every penny and more. I'd like them to turn up fairly quickly if the Yak stops Yakking. Wouldn't you?
I'm all for supporting the work of the Air Ambulances and, indeed, it's a shame that they have to run as charities; however, the above part of your message that I quoted didn't happen and even if it had would you prefer that they let criminals go? Perhaps they should set a minima for how much someone has to have nicked before they send anybody at all, or perhaps a sliding scale:
Telly nicked = 1 policeman for 1 hour
Car nicked = 2 policemen
Posh car nicked = 2 policemen and a helicopter
I'm sure you'd love that, call 999 to report a stolen car only to be told it wasn't worth enough for anyone to bother and what about the other work that they do? How much is a missing child worth to you?
By all means urge support for the Air Ambulance but why rubbish the work of other people along the way?
Telly nicked = 1 policeman for 1 hour
Car nicked = 2 policemen
Posh car nicked = 2 policemen and a helicopter
I'm sure you'd love that, call 999 to report a stolen car only to be told it wasn't worth enough for anyone to bother and what about the other work that they do? How much is a missing child worth to you?
By all means urge support for the Air Ambulance but why rubbish the work of other people along the way?
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I support the Wales Air Ambulance at CAE.
Not in a finincial way, although any help they get is good. I have now retired from being a DJ, but I still turn out to do a fund raiser for them every year, willingly give my time, throw a little in the pot at raffle time and so-on. The sad thing is that they tell you the figures at do's like this. (Just for the record I never used to go out for less than £250)
Why oh why is there no govt funding whatsoever for this project country wide? Whilst the work the Police Helis do is erstwhile, I personally put a greater priority on saving life than catching crooks. Yes, invaluable in the case of a missing child, but as soneone else said, how much does it cost to start a police heli up when balanced against a £50 tank of petrol.
Same old story really, but we have a strange set of priorities in this country, but I for one will carry on doing all I can to help when I can.
Not in a finincial way, although any help they get is good. I have now retired from being a DJ, but I still turn out to do a fund raiser for them every year, willingly give my time, throw a little in the pot at raffle time and so-on. The sad thing is that they tell you the figures at do's like this. (Just for the record I never used to go out for less than £250)
Why oh why is there no govt funding whatsoever for this project country wide? Whilst the work the Police Helis do is erstwhile, I personally put a greater priority on saving life than catching crooks. Yes, invaluable in the case of a missing child, but as soneone else said, how much does it cost to start a police heli up when balanced against a £50 tank of petrol.
Same old story really, but we have a strange set of priorities in this country, but I for one will carry on doing all I can to help when I can.
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http://www.yorkshireairambulance.org.uk for the Yorkshire Air Ambulance, which we support (in fact Mrs. FF is doing another charity thing shortly, and if anyone wants to contribute please let me know ... but don't send any more cakes, fer gawdssakes !).
When I asked why they're not government financed, I was told that they need to keep it on a charitable basis, because at least then they can't be shut down if some clown decides that the money is needed elsewhere (a new cowboy hat for Prescott, perhaps). Absolutely bloody barking mad.
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When I asked why they're not government financed, I was told that they need to keep it on a charitable basis, because at least then they can't be shut down if some clown decides that the money is needed elsewhere (a new cowboy hat for Prescott, perhaps). Absolutely bloody barking mad.
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That telly programme
I was also very disappointed by a number of aspects of the operation shown.
Why despatch to a 'known hotspot' to start searching, without ensuring that units on the ground are available to assist?
What would have been the remarks from the folk around him if the injured biker had been refused, and the helo had departed empty? I'm pretty sure the publicity wouldn't have been positive.
Liked the style of one of the pilots - nice bloke, got on with the job quietly.
Why despatch to a 'known hotspot' to start searching, without ensuring that units on the ground are available to assist?
What would have been the remarks from the folk around him if the injured biker had been refused, and the helo had departed empty? I'm pretty sure the publicity wouldn't have been positive.
Liked the style of one of the pilots - nice bloke, got on with the job quietly.
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ps...
The RNLI and other lifeboat operators are pretty content with being funded by donations, in principle, as it ensures they are independent of HMG and can make their own decisions...
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you can add another one from the bbc news recently. 4 policemen turned up to an incident regarding a man who kept some boys football, (in his garden) and popped it.
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I am about to start a 5 year secondment with the Scottish Ambulance Service Helimed 5 based at the Heliport in Glasgow! It is funded by the Scottish Executive but it is used to support the Islands and other inaccessible areas in Scotland where there is a need for medical care but not enough demand for a permanent land based ambulance. Justification for this is the huge geographic area and distances between communities. The service provided is amazing along with the speed with which the casuality gets to a specialist hospital makes any fundraising worthwhile. Good luck!
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S205-18F. Do you think there is similar justification for densely populated areas of the UK? Also, just for my interest, do you have a maximum time on the ground before people start asking questions?
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There is a definite need for HEMS even in densely populated areas but I think there is also a case for screening what it is used for TIME/DISTANCE Where a land based unit can get to the scene in the same time ultimately the land based unit will be with the patient quicker due to the set down time and checks that a HEMS unit has to go through, plus where they can set down relative to an incident. No real use in built up areas because there is no where nearby to land. As Paramedics become more highly skilled and have a larger arsenal of drugs and techniques to use time on scene is less important as we can stabilise at scene (IV Fluids intubation etc) and therefor viability on arrival at an appropriate hospital, Major Trauma, Neurosurgical etc is improved. Main uses are RTAs and any sort of outdoor activities Horses, Motorcycles, Water sport etc. Sorry for a long reply.
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How many of the contributors to this thread are experienced police officers or exprienced police pilots?, It is is once again members of the public who all believe thay can do the job better than those with the correct training and experience . Its unfortunate that most people think they can do the job better than the police and their opinion is always right however you dont seem them actually doing it . As you may have guessed I am a police officer and I am a helicopter observeIt is obvious to me that Flash has no experience of heli or police ops and doesnt actually even come across as apilot , He mentions the NOtar shuts down while the patient is in pain , well yeh have you ever tried to reassure a patient in pain and place him in the back of a heli with two turbines going and rotors running with only two men ? yeh sometimes ambulance crew can help but they are not always there . And when they are there decsions have to be made over best way of transporting a patientas you correctly point oout it takes a lot of fuel to sart a heli so if the job isnt life threatening which a hanging off foot is not , although very painful why spend thousands when the ambulance is just as good. It is obvious when writing this your thoughts of flight safety left you big time I would be interested to see how you brief any passengers brave enough to fly with you. Your other point " Pointless launches by PAS " Pas is one of many companies that contracts aircraft and pilots to the police and ambulance services some employ and own their own aircraft and the aircrew are privately employed . Deployment of the aircraft is down to the individual crew on the day no on else each job is taken on its merits . Yeh £30 of petrol no might not be much to you but it may well be to someone else its all about publuic perception . So if int he future you contact the police as you have been a victim of crime im sure you will tel them that you want no expensive resources deployed as its only a minor crime and you can live with it . We as a police service are supposed to help as much as we can and if that involves a heli then so be it . We have less resources than any other emergency service and we are overburdoned with just about every aspect if we can help we will if we cant then we cant we are not superhuman but please dont slag off something of which oyu have no experience
On past experience you can add:
bunch of schoolboys inaccurately reported as illegally hunting with dogs: 1 helicopter, 1 car
Talk about priorities!
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Then theres this, the keywords here are illegally REPORTED what the police have esp now do we ? So u fone the police and say man with gun in street we say yeh whatever dont be soft we ll send a single manned car bobby gets shot we say oh well **** happens . or do we gove it the approprioate response , if were wrong were wrong but at least everyone is safe ?
this made me laugh
you can add another one from the bbc news recently. 4 policemen turned up to an incident regarding a man who kept some boys football, (in his garden) and popped
you believe everything you read dont you , this man pooped the football yeh absolutely , the phone call to the police was that the man had also got the child by the scruff of the neck and was threatening him with the knife , but hey guess you sun readers are a gullible bunch like i said before rather turn up with four and find the child safe than turn up with one officer and the child get his throat slit , but hey you guys knew that didnt you
Pucker up guys and stop living in a dream world your jobs and companies are obviously perfect with no problems and i wish you all well please tell me which utopia your living in and ill come join u
On past experience you can add:
bunch of schoolboys inaccurately reported as illegally hunting with dogs: 1 helicopter, 1 car
Talk about priorities!
Tim
Then theres this, the keywords here are illegally REPORTED what the police have esp now do we ? So u fone the police and say man with gun in street we say yeh whatever dont be soft we ll send a single manned car bobby gets shot we say oh well **** happens . or do we gove it the approprioate response , if were wrong were wrong but at least everyone is safe ?
this made me laugh
you can add another one from the bbc news recently. 4 policemen turned up to an incident regarding a man who kept some boys football, (in his garden) and popped
you believe everything you read dont you , this man pooped the football yeh absolutely , the phone call to the police was that the man had also got the child by the scruff of the neck and was threatening him with the knife , but hey guess you sun readers are a gullible bunch like i said before rather turn up with four and find the child safe than turn up with one officer and the child get his throat slit , but hey you guys knew that didnt you
Pucker up guys and stop living in a dream world your jobs and companies are obviously perfect with no problems and i wish you all well please tell me which utopia your living in and ill come join u
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A world of difference...
There's a world of difference between the odd error, which might be corrected at ther proof-reading stage, and your screed above.
Notwithstanding that, shall we say, you take a more relaxed approach than many of us to your mother tongue, there are very valid points here. There were aspects of the operation shown in the prgramme which, with the benefit of very relevant experience, I found lacking. I'm sure other professional pilots reading here will know what I mean, but you won't draw me into specifics because I have no intention of attacking an individual's actions in a public forum.
Sadly, your point about the casevac doesn't stand. The helo went to the scene, and shut down. Whether it departed with the casualty or not made hardly any difference. Clearly, the medics were going to say whatever they had to, to ensure that the helo was used. Embarrassing jumping through nonsensical hoops, in my opinion. Much bettter get on with the task, especially if humanitarian.
Notwithstanding that, shall we say, you take a more relaxed approach than many of us to your mother tongue, there are very valid points here. There were aspects of the operation shown in the prgramme which, with the benefit of very relevant experience, I found lacking. I'm sure other professional pilots reading here will know what I mean, but you won't draw me into specifics because I have no intention of attacking an individual's actions in a public forum.
Sadly, your point about the casevac doesn't stand. The helo went to the scene, and shut down. Whether it departed with the casualty or not made hardly any difference. Clearly, the medics were going to say whatever they had to, to ensure that the helo was used. Embarrassing jumping through nonsensical hoops, in my opinion. Much bettter get on with the task, especially if humanitarian.
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Valid Points.
Your a police observer, so from that can we assume your not a chopper pilot?
Therefore seeing as a large number of us here are pilots, i would guess matters of opp's and procedures would be something we could educate you on.
And so you dont punctuate? Well if ever i have the mis-fortune to be involved in a legal white elephant ( trumped up charges and such like!) i hope it is yourself filing the reports, any first year law stude would have a field day with such sloppyness! Surely Discipline and attention to detail go hand in hand with one performing such an important job and spending the public purse in such large quantities.?
Also, before you ask, one of my close colleageues is a DS in Scarborough, currently being considered for placement to a certain building on the south side of Vauxhall Bridge, big beige modern place with Christmas trees all over it I have no satisfactory explanation as to why these were deemed necessary on such a building, with the cost born by the tax payer!
Have a nice day and i hope you chill out before your next collar, as i fear for your unbiased objectivity being in tact!
Therefore seeing as a large number of us here are pilots, i would guess matters of opp's and procedures would be something we could educate you on.
And so you dont punctuate? Well if ever i have the mis-fortune to be involved in a legal white elephant ( trumped up charges and such like!) i hope it is yourself filing the reports, any first year law stude would have a field day with such sloppyness! Surely Discipline and attention to detail go hand in hand with one performing such an important job and spending the public purse in such large quantities.?
Also, before you ask, one of my close colleageues is a DS in Scarborough, currently being considered for placement to a certain building on the south side of Vauxhall Bridge, big beige modern place with Christmas trees all over it
I have no satisfactory explanation as to why these were deemed necessary on such a building, with the cost born by the tax payer!Have a nice day and i hope you chill out before your next collar, as i fear for your unbiased objectivity being in tact!