mini gun
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mini gun
Don't know if this video has been posted before, enjoy (if you have blocked popups,you need to press control key as you click on link)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...68927161385975
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...68927161385975
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1up Spacing was usually 1/4 So every fifth round was a tracer. It still looked like a red line due to the amount of ammo going through.
As Nick will tell you nothing could make one more mad than a jam. Seems if you release the trigger prior to the limiter switch they seem to eat bullets in the mechanism.
I think today thats pretty much history.
By the way that video was put to gether near Maricopa Arizona by a company that is manufacturing mini guns. I dont know if its on their website but heres the address. www.dillonprecision.com They specialize in great reloading equipment and are located on/near the Scottsdale AZ airport...
The owner has his own surplus UH-1 Huey and a MD-500D. Both in pristine condition last I saw.
As Nick will tell you nothing could make one more mad than a jam. Seems if you release the trigger prior to the limiter switch they seem to eat bullets in the mechanism.
I think today thats pretty much history.
By the way that video was put to gether near Maricopa Arizona by a company that is manufacturing mini guns. I dont know if its on their website but heres the address. www.dillonprecision.com They specialize in great reloading equipment and are located on/near the Scottsdale AZ airport...
The owner has his own surplus UH-1 Huey and a MD-500D. Both in pristine condition last I saw.
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Thats verry interesting because it seems that this configuration was not verry common.
Was it the 7.62mm M134 weapon?
Can you please describe how they were installed?
Was it two in the chin turret and two under the wings?
Or were they just under the wings? Two miniguns under each wing?
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Hotz,
The standard kit on an AH-1G had one minigun (M134) in the turret, alongside a 40MM grenade launcher. Both were fed from an ammo bay right behind the turret, with slide-out drums. The minigun held 4000 rounds and the "chunker" held just over 300. The wing stores usualy held rocket pods, most often 19 shot inboard and 7 shot outboard. On the Cobra I mentioned, the turret had 2 miniguns, and the inboard wingstores had two XM-18 minigun pods (which held 1500 rounds each in a special de-linked electric feeder.
A few birds had the XM-35 20mm gun on the left inboard station, and saddlebag ammo bays on both sides of the fuselage. A fine gun, the last snake I flew had one, we called it "Mighty Mouse" and the crew chief painted some great nose art on it.
Like Bsouza says, the miniguns could jam fairly easily, I kept a few new bolts in my leg pocket along with a tube of LSA lubricant (monkeycum), and could rebuild a gun in a few seconds if it jammed badly.
The guns were accurate, and deadly. I took the tile roof off a house once, it tossed tiles all over the place.
The weapon that told the real story was the 2.75" rockets. They packed a punch, had relatively long range (accurate at 2-3 clicks, deadly at 1 click), and we carried enough to do some damage. The 10 lb warhead was standard, we had a 17 pound warhead, and a 10 lb VT fused version (a white round radar in the nose set it off a few meters above ground, for better effect). Each round hit like an artillery round, so with 52 to 72 rockets per Cobra, a pair of snakes could deliver about as much firepower as an artillery battery could toss out in an hour.
The standard kit on an AH-1G had one minigun (M134) in the turret, alongside a 40MM grenade launcher. Both were fed from an ammo bay right behind the turret, with slide-out drums. The minigun held 4000 rounds and the "chunker" held just over 300. The wing stores usualy held rocket pods, most often 19 shot inboard and 7 shot outboard. On the Cobra I mentioned, the turret had 2 miniguns, and the inboard wingstores had two XM-18 minigun pods (which held 1500 rounds each in a special de-linked electric feeder.
A few birds had the XM-35 20mm gun on the left inboard station, and saddlebag ammo bays on both sides of the fuselage. A fine gun, the last snake I flew had one, we called it "Mighty Mouse" and the crew chief painted some great nose art on it.
Like Bsouza says, the miniguns could jam fairly easily, I kept a few new bolts in my leg pocket along with a tube of LSA lubricant (monkeycum), and could rebuild a gun in a few seconds if it jammed badly.
The guns were accurate, and deadly. I took the tile roof off a house once, it tossed tiles all over the place.
The weapon that told the real story was the 2.75" rockets. They packed a punch, had relatively long range (accurate at 2-3 clicks, deadly at 1 click), and we carried enough to do some damage. The 10 lb warhead was standard, we had a 17 pound warhead, and a 10 lb VT fused version (a white round radar in the nose set it off a few meters above ground, for better effect). Each round hit like an artillery round, so with 52 to 72 rockets per Cobra, a pair of snakes could deliver about as much firepower as an artillery battery could toss out in an hour.
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The video also displays, in a minor way, a couple of the drawbacks of that truly wonderful weapon- the minigun: the volume of fire blows stuff to bits, obscuring a target, and making a point-type weapon into an area-type weapon; and it uses a lot of ammunition... Which is also a very good thing, in that all that ball ends right where the gun's pointed, if you can still see target to shoot.
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Hotenplotz
Your photo is a recent one from beautiful downtown Bagdhad. That would be the AH-1W used by the Marines. Its still the same old airframe that has gone through many changes. The Army always used single engine whereas the Navy/Marine Corps for obvious reasons had two. The Marine Corps has done well and are now getting a newer version of the Cobra with four blades. It must be really sweet.
As Nick also didnt mention when he was flying the Cobra, consider it was a closed cockpit and the first ones in Vietnam had no Air Conditioner. Extremely hot. Later models had what was called an ECU (Enviornmental Control Unit) which took bleed air and cooled it down enough that it spit ice..............So Nice. Also as it was a Bell product you could take full fuel or full ordinance but you couldnt take both. The Apache solved that.....
Your photo is a recent one from beautiful downtown Bagdhad. That would be the AH-1W used by the Marines. Its still the same old airframe that has gone through many changes. The Army always used single engine whereas the Navy/Marine Corps for obvious reasons had two. The Marine Corps has done well and are now getting a newer version of the Cobra with four blades. It must be really sweet.
As Nick also didnt mention when he was flying the Cobra, consider it was a closed cockpit and the first ones in Vietnam had no Air Conditioner. Extremely hot. Later models had what was called an ECU (Enviornmental Control Unit) which took bleed air and cooled it down enough that it spit ice..............So Nice. Also as it was a Bell product you could take full fuel or full ordinance but you couldnt take both. The Apache solved that.....
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Devil49, I actually think your "drawbacks" are huge pluses:
And you forgot it sounds fantastic.
Blowing stuff to bits is why I like pulling the trigger, it rarely if ever obscures the target (that video was not using 4B1T), it is an area weapon that can be pointed extremely accurately with a danger close distance that makes cannon type weapons systems very jealous, and it's use of ammo just makes the noise better, the target fly apart more, and enables more accuracy!
Nothing like emptying an entire infantry sections' weapon load loose in 3.17 seconds from each of your two (or four if you are lucky enough to be Nick) minis!
All good.
volume of fire blows stuff to bits, obscuring a target, and making a point-type weapon into an area-type weapon; and it uses a lot of ammunition...
Blowing stuff to bits is why I like pulling the trigger, it rarely if ever obscures the target (that video was not using 4B1T), it is an area weapon that can be pointed extremely accurately with a danger close distance that makes cannon type weapons systems very jealous, and it's use of ammo just makes the noise better, the target fly apart more, and enables more accuracy!
Nothing like emptying an entire infantry sections' weapon load loose in 3.17 seconds from each of your two (or four if you are lucky enough to be Nick) minis!
All good.
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...... just found this ;-)))
http://www.dillonaero.com/videos.html
http://www.dillonaero.com/videos.html
What kind of helicopter is this?
Two guns?
Is it an AH-6 or a MH-60L DAP
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The helo pictured is the DAP, an MH-60L with a pair of GAU-19 50 cal gatling guns in the door that could also be fixed forward and a 30MM chain gun on the wing store. This particular shot is of the aircraft with a short wing store. With the larger ESSS the outboard could hold a 19 shot rocket pods or 4 hellfires.
Here is a photo of the 4-store MH-60K:
The DAP is used by the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (the Nighthawks) and is the most heavily armed helicopter in the US Army inventory, including the Apache.
Here is a DAP with stingers outboard and mixed ordnance inboard:
DAP stands for Direct Action Penetrator, a way to keep the Apache people from coming unglued while the aircraft was being designed, since the Special Ops has no intention of employing the Apache. With the ability to carry troops, extra ammo and other goodies (think of what can be mounted on the wings!) it is an awesome fighter helicopter.
Here is a photo of the 4-store MH-60K:
The DAP is used by the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (the Nighthawks) and is the most heavily armed helicopter in the US Army inventory, including the Apache.
Here is a DAP with stingers outboard and mixed ordnance inboard:
DAP stands for Direct Action Penetrator, a way to keep the Apache people from coming unglued while the aircraft was being designed, since the Special Ops has no intention of employing the Apache. With the ability to carry troops, extra ammo and other goodies (think of what can be mounted on the wings!) it is an awesome fighter helicopter.
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The folks in Oz turned it down! When the armed helo was being competed in Australia, Sikorsky offered the DAP, but the Powers that Be chose the Tiger, which the DAP could carry on its cargo hook, drop, use for a target and then fly home for a smoke.