Whats Happening in the Torres Straits
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Think you might find poor ol RHJ has had corrosion in it for a long time, considering it spent a while sitting outside at Thursday Is with the salt spray before moving into the hangar on Horn Is. Would be scarey if it got stripped right down.
Think you will find AH will have to pay if the 412 is off line for any substantial time, thats why "it will be finished in 4 - 5 weeks"
And for info the "crewies" are Observers, some with winch endorsements and a dodgy check and training system. Good place to get night hours though.
The front line pilots and observers are a good bunch and put up with a lot of ****e, doesn't sound like much has changed in the last few years from management.
Think you will find AH will have to pay if the 412 is off line for any substantial time, thats why "it will be finished in 4 - 5 weeks"
And for info the "crewies" are Observers, some with winch endorsements and a dodgy check and training system. Good place to get night hours though.
The front line pilots and observers are a good bunch and put up with a lot of ****e, doesn't sound like much has changed in the last few years from management.
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LHS,
I hear that in the early days, (on TI), the check and training system for the crewies was quite good when it was run by the Check and Training Pilot. By all reports the initial training was of a good standard run by a very respected pilot in the industry and an ex RAAF crewie. The "specialist" training for the Customs contract was ground breaking with every flight. I'm told they developed their modus operandi on the trot for night surveillance in helicopters.
The comment of "Shake any tree,,,,,,," shows that the management acually believed their own hype. Maybe they need to get the chainsaws out.
I hear that in the early days, (on TI), the check and training system for the crewies was quite good when it was run by the Check and Training Pilot. By all reports the initial training was of a good standard run by a very respected pilot in the industry and an ex RAAF crewie. The "specialist" training for the Customs contract was ground breaking with every flight. I'm told they developed their modus operandi on the trot for night surveillance in helicopters.
The comment of "Shake any tree,,,,,,," shows that the management acually believed their own hype. Maybe they need to get the chainsaws out.
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" Shake any tree and a pilot will fall out".
I have it on good authority,this was told to the pilots at Reef during a meeting when the ex -CEO (hang on for the ride?watch this space/ god bless his soul) first joined Reef and went up there to met the staff at TI...
Can you imagine.......
But they were warned by a fellow pilot who knew from previous experience, the shannaigans of the incoming CEO...
Apparently the pilot in the above handed in his resignation 1 minute after learning this particular person was coming on board...
They were warned
I have it on good authority,this was told to the pilots at Reef during a meeting when the ex -CEO (hang on for the ride?watch this space/ god bless his soul) first joined Reef and went up there to met the staff at TI...
Can you imagine.......
But they were warned by a fellow pilot who knew from previous experience, the shannaigans of the incoming CEO...
Apparently the pilot in the above handed in his resignation 1 minute after learning this particular person was coming on board...
They were warned
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you are quite right, the night surveillance in a helicopter was training on the run and is a good operation, working (well used to, not sure these days) with some bulky and sometimes inefficient electronic gear. The crew co ordination was good, especially doing a low level night sun run on a trawler on a moonless night. Working with FLIR and NVGs all ground breaking.
QR staff have provided some quality check and training in the past and Reef used to have a very good C&T pilot.
These days I hear all Observer and winch op check and training is carried out in house, as some outside agencies have given a few bad reports and recommeded more training for some.
Hopefully the boys and girls up there get the wages the are asking for and deserve.
I wonder if it's still the case, if anyone doesn't want to live in Cairns (engineers excepted) they have to pay their own way to Cairns to catch the flight to Horn Is.
you are quite right, the night surveillance in a helicopter was training on the run and is a good operation, working (well used to, not sure these days) with some bulky and sometimes inefficient electronic gear. The crew co ordination was good, especially doing a low level night sun run on a trawler on a moonless night. Working with FLIR and NVGs all ground breaking.
QR staff have provided some quality check and training in the past and Reef used to have a very good C&T pilot.
These days I hear all Observer and winch op check and training is carried out in house, as some outside agencies have given a few bad reports and recommeded more training for some.
Hopefully the boys and girls up there get the wages the are asking for and deserve.
I wonder if it's still the case, if anyone doesn't want to live in Cairns (engineers excepted) they have to pay their own way to Cairns to catch the flight to Horn Is.
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It's quite normal for a company to stipulate where you need to live. If you wish to live further away, then most companies will get you to pay the extra fare involved. Occasionally where the work base can be anywhere in Oz or overseas, then the company may let you choose. Even with a big company when I worked in India, I had to live in Perth, which of course is not hard to take.
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What a very sad state of affairs? What year are we in? How on earth do management teams at Australian Helicopters go to bed with a clear conscience at night knowing how poorly their company is now perceived by the broader industry? This thread has only cemented in place, many lines of thinking about this company and its a testament to ongoing bad management. I would be interested in hearing if these guys start advertising for a new CEO or someone to take some responsibility and guide this company out of such a large mess. In this day and age, to think that management can treat staff...PEOPLE...with such disregard and disrespect...make such poor decisions on almost every level, begs the question, do these guys have s@#t for brains or what?
As for shaking the tree comment, what an arrogant and ignorant comment. Start shaking those trees my friend...perhaps those pilots are not there anymore, or if they, someone came in before you and shook harder!!!
As for shaking the tree comment, what an arrogant and ignorant comment. Start shaking those trees my friend...perhaps those pilots are not there anymore, or if they, someone came in before you and shook harder!!!
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Take over.
Wow, I don't think I've heard anything positive about this company in 121 posts (except maybe that the people at the coal face are 'good blokes').
This extent of disgruntlement doesn't happen overnight. It's in deep. Is it possible for this current management to fix this????
If you ask me this co. sounds ripe for a takeover.
This extent of disgruntlement doesn't happen overnight. It's in deep. Is it possible for this current management to fix this????
If you ask me this co. sounds ripe for a takeover.
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you really think so band
a take over
i dont think so who in the hell would in their right minds takeover a bunch of Amateurs like this, why would you do this..
marine pilot transfers in singles.i dont think so, a takeover company would only be interested in an operation with a good cash flow, a great balance sheet, and good assets and/or contracts..
AH has good contract but bugger all cash flow, negative balance sheet,assets are old and past their due date, the customs contract is great ,BUT they under cut themselves to the
house,,
What is needed is a new company to handle the customs /ems contracts in northern australia...
a company that is decicated to the contract, a company that will make money for the shareholder and will look after the personnel involved also, a company that will have the balls to stand up and say this is such and such, we employ the best of the best of the best, we pay the best for the best and if you dont like then off
that will get the job done and do it to the best
What happens in these companies is the person that is running them gets so full of them selves they forget that its a collection of people that make the company not just them..
the crew to start with...with out them you are screwed
come on some company in Australia Have a go
There is the chance of good financial gains in these contracts
all you need is a 412 (or 139) and a L4 or squirrel in horn island and a 412 or 139 in gove..
Yes me Laddies the rumor is that the admirals want to have a ship in the territory full time ....... BUT
Who is going to do this
NOT AH thats for sure,,,they will be flat out paying for the major that is being done at the moment..
so step right up me laddies...lets se what you are made of
yippee ke yea
a take over
i dont think so who in the hell would in their right minds takeover a bunch of Amateurs like this, why would you do this..
marine pilot transfers in singles.i dont think so, a takeover company would only be interested in an operation with a good cash flow, a great balance sheet, and good assets and/or contracts..
AH has good contract but bugger all cash flow, negative balance sheet,assets are old and past their due date, the customs contract is great ,BUT they under cut themselves to the
house,, What is needed is a new company to handle the customs /ems contracts in northern australia...
a company that is decicated to the contract, a company that will make money for the shareholder and will look after the personnel involved also, a company that will have the balls to stand up and say this is such and such, we employ the best of the best of the best, we pay the best for the best and if you dont like then
offthat will get the job done and do it to the best
What happens in these companies is the person that is running them gets so full of them selves they forget that its a collection of people that make the company not just them..
the crew to start with...with out them you are screwed
come on some company in Australia Have a go
There is the chance of good financial gains in these contracts
all you need is a 412 (or 139) and a L4 or squirrel in horn island and a 412 or 139 in gove..
Yes me Laddies the rumor is that the admirals want to have a ship in the territory full time ....... BUT
Who is going to do this
NOT AH thats for sure,,,they will be flat out paying for the major that is being done at the moment..
so step right up me laddies...lets se what you are made of
yippee ke yea
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Gentlmen,
Everybody seems to forget the fact the this kind of work has in the past and will for the forseeable future go to the lowest bidder...........
The lowest bidder can't and won't pay top dollar for "the best of the best". He will make do with those that come along and take the job. And the pity of it all is that those who pay the contractor don't know who is what in this industry, they are usually bean counters or upper management who have never even seem a helicopter close up.
Everybody seems to forget the fact the this kind of work has in the past and will for the forseeable future go to the lowest bidder...........
The lowest bidder can't and won't pay top dollar for "the best of the best". He will make do with those that come along and take the job. And the pity of it all is that those who pay the contractor don't know who is what in this industry, they are usually bean counters or upper management who have never even seem a helicopter close up.
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Shake that palm tree - I swear they are up there somewhere
Wondering how the company can keep the contract if they have lost so many pilots and observers? Do these machines fly themselves?
Surely the Chief Pilot must be pushing bullets out of his backside worrying about how to keep any remaining pilots or recruit new ones. Is it true that no one applied for the job of 412 driver? Wow!
Shake that tree a little harder my friend. Shake it - shake it - SHAKE IT!!!
A friend once said, "the more things change, the more they stay the same"...any truth to that one here chaps?
Surely the Chief Pilot must be pushing bullets out of his backside worrying about how to keep any remaining pilots or recruit new ones. Is it true that no one applied for the job of 412 driver? Wow!
Shake that tree a little harder my friend. Shake it - shake it - SHAKE IT!!!
A friend once said, "the more things change, the more they stay the same"...any truth to that one here chaps?
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Here we are at Post 128.
There has been a lot said ablout AH and none of it good.
So what can we deduce from this forum?
1. Pilots don't grow on trees.
2. If you pay, you play.
3. Big contracts don't automatically puy you in the same league as CHC and Bristows. You have to grow up to run with the Big Boy's.
4. AH can't identify what their biggest asset is.
5. Doing it cheap is doing it nasty.
6. Empire building gives something else to crash.
7. The "Rats" who saw the writing on the wall may well be "Wise Owls".
It is a shame that the AH managers don't know that they don't know. The blundering may yet continue for some time until the Clients realise who/what they are getting for their dollar.
There has been a lot said ablout AH and none of it good.
So what can we deduce from this forum?
1. Pilots don't grow on trees.
2. If you pay, you play.
3. Big contracts don't automatically puy you in the same league as CHC and Bristows. You have to grow up to run with the Big Boy's.
4. AH can't identify what their biggest asset is.
5. Doing it cheap is doing it nasty.
6. Empire building gives something else to crash.
7. The "Rats" who saw the writing on the wall may well be "Wise Owls".
It is a shame that the AH managers don't know that they don't know. The blundering may yet continue for some time until the Clients realise who/what they are getting for their dollar.
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Love your work guys. I am intrigued though to find out if there are any drivers left, or is management still too busy shaking the tree to notice that another pilot or two left?
Its funny stuff really. Comical almost. The management and directors of this company must be something else.
To those who have left, I salute you chaps! Well done!!!
Its funny stuff really. Comical almost. The management and directors of this company must be something else.
To those who have left, I salute you chaps! Well done!!!