EH101 / HMA.1 Engine photos
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WHEELS WHEELS!!
DM, I agree with your reasoning behind the single wheel but I am aware that the RN need a twin due to the redundancy issue. If one of the tyres deflate whist embarked the ground crew have to repair the cab on the spot thus fouling the deck - not good if you are on a CVS! Twin wheels would allow them to move the cab out of harms way and fix the problem!
Shame this isn't being picked up as part of MCSP, and that WAS due to cost!
Shame this isn't being picked up as part of MCSP, and that WAS due to cost!
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DangerMouse, genuine thanks for providing good insight on the EH101 development. This must have been an amazing project to be involved in, and i would actually be interested in learning more about the development story. As much to gain some insight on lessons learned, as to avoid mythical distractions. 
Westland Site info on EH101
Mart
Westland Site info on EH101
Mart
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thanx
for the support gents
ZH844 (RN24).. It may well be true that for MCSP that cost was a factor, but remember that a twin wheel 101 is T23 incompatible at the mo, so the cost driver was not the savings on the aircraft but the rest of the RN infrastructure. In order to minimise aircraft costs we could have had a mixed fleet to allow for FF and CVS deployment, but that doesnt sound very sensible either for obvious reasons
Any idea what T45 will have for deck handling?
(this thread started as a nice one about modelling and look here it's gone!)
DM
ZH844 (RN24).. It may well be true that for MCSP that cost was a factor, but remember that a twin wheel 101 is T23 incompatible at the mo, so the cost driver was not the savings on the aircraft but the rest of the RN infrastructure. In order to minimise aircraft costs we could have had a mixed fleet to allow for FF and CVS deployment, but that doesnt sound very sensible either for obvious reasons
Any idea what T45 will have for deck handling?
(this thread started as a nice one about modelling and look here it's gone!)
DM
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I see you are all great guys, willing to help, i have another question.
What colour are the wheel bays? Any photos available? Lines and wires in the bays are a mistery to me right now, if any photos available, please
What colour are the wheel bays? Any photos available? Lines and wires in the bays are a mistery to me right now, if any photos available, please
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Matt primer yellow? That won't be a problem. Giving my model a bit of contrast. Thank you!
A pic to confirm that, but...
Not any bright colours in sight...
A pic to confirm that, but...
Not any bright colours in sight...
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dont use that upper pic...
it's PP5 (one of the development aircraft)
the undercarriage bays are green on a Mk3 and from memory white on a Mk1, as the bays are in shadow they look dark.
There isnt much in the main bays, the nsoe bays have the landing lights either side of the nose wheel.
try http://www.agustawestland.com/commun...p?id_product=7
as that has some hi res pics of 101's
DM
the undercarriage bays are green on a Mk3 and from memory white on a Mk1, as the bays are in shadow they look dark.
There isnt much in the main bays, the nsoe bays have the landing lights either side of the nose wheel.
try http://www.agustawestland.com/commun...p?id_product=7
as that has some hi res pics of 101's
DM
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So, white wheel bays it is. Thank you! Great photos. Didn't knew they existed.
Do british navy merlins also have their tails so dirty? Or do the RTM's smoke less? Nice photos, all i have to know now, is how dirty do these helos get
Do british navy merlins also have their tails so dirty? Or do the RTM's smoke less? Nice photos, all i have to know now, is how dirty do these helos get
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Filthy
How dirty does a Merlin get?
The recipe is oultined below:
Oil leaking (meaning it's not empty)
+
Sand (obviously theatre specific)
+
Flies (who have an affinity for oil + sand)
+
Heat (+50C which bakes solid oil + sand + flies)
=
VERY DIRTY
The recipe is oultined below:
Oil leaking (meaning it's not empty)
+
Sand (obviously theatre specific)
+
Flies (who have an affinity for oil + sand)
+
Heat (+50C which bakes solid oil + sand + flies)
=
VERY DIRTY
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Any photos? I'll try to get as close as i can get on this model to the real thing.
I found some brown drain marks just below the engine compartment on one photo on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Any more of that?
I'll try to get as close as i can get on this model to the real thing.I found some brown drain marks just below the engine compartment on one photo on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Any more of that?
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Well, i made the rotorhead and almost done the fuselage...
It occured to me, that i forgot some details. What is this thingy under the intake, above the door?
Whatever it is, are there two lights one above the other on the FWD part?
It occured to me, that i forgot some details. What is this thingy under the intake, above the door?
Whatever it is, are there two lights one above the other on the FWD part?
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Phoinix,
Those arn't lights - they are indicators for the engine bay fire suppression system - if they are red then the system has been expired - white means not. There is a system for each engine and if that does not work the system from another engine can be fed to the engine on fire for a second go!
I am an experienced Merlin chap so if you have any other question then asked away. Is your model going to have an working step which is just aft of the idicators?
844
Those arn't lights - they are indicators for the engine bay fire suppression system - if they are red then the system has been expired - white means not. There is a system for each engine and if that does not work the system from another engine can be fed to the engine on fire for a second go!
I am an experienced Merlin chap so if you have any other question then asked away. Is your model going to have an working step which is just aft of the idicators?
844
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Top model, but if you are truly striving for accuracy, there are only 5 foot steps on the fuselage forward of the personnel door on the in RN Mk1. When the guys need to climb on the roof for maintenance, they have to pop the lower section of the door to reach the lowest step. There is probably a good reason for not having the sixth/lower step as on the early PP aircraft, but it escapes me.
Also, the undercarriage bays are the same colour as the rest of the aircraft, not white or yellow primer.
Good luck with the model
Also, the undercarriage bays are the same colour as the rest of the aircraft, not white or yellow primer.
Good luck with the model
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Thank you all! That explains a lot. So, there are indicators, where is that indicator for the nr. 2 engine? The thing AFT of indicators is the maintenance step? Illl make that too, not a problem at all, just wanted to know, what i'm building.
Darn aftermarket parts. I knew i should'nt rely on them. I'll remove that first step right away. I'll repaint the wheel bays too. Some closeup photos made me doubt my decision. Good to see i'm building it as it really is.
Thank you again! If it doesnt bother anyone, i'll ask further questions here. Admins, is that ok, as it is not a real helo world i'm building?
Darn aftermarket parts. I knew i should'nt rely on them. I'll remove that first step right away. I'll repaint the wheel bays too. Some closeup photos made me doubt my decision. Good to see i'm building it as it really is.
Thank you again! If it doesnt bother anyone, i'll ask further questions here. Admins, is that ok, as it is not a real helo world i'm building?
