Qld MPT Shakeup?
Qld MPT Shakeup?
Good Afternoon Chaps,
A little birdie told me that a certain Queensland MPT operator, the "private" one, may be a little less private soon, with a larger operator taking over. Just a rumour mind you, my little birdie couldn't expand further. Anyone else??
Best Regards,
Capt.
A little birdie told me that a certain Queensland MPT operator, the "private" one, may be a little less private soon, with a larger operator taking over. Just a rumour mind you, my little birdie couldn't expand further. Anyone else??
Best Regards,
Capt.
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KARMA can be such a b@#th
Well in any case as you and I both know MS, having the individual responsible for the 'private one' out of the industry is a big win for all.
I may have been heard to exclaim 'good ridance fat
' in the crew room here, much to the amusement of my colleagues.
Good luck to whoever the new operator may be. Lets hope there will be a general move to raise the passage fees so that they can head to a 2 crew ME operation as it needs to be. Now that the individual in question will be out of the picture (other than staying on as a consultant no doubt), there shouldnt be any excuses.
I wonder, given that he has 1000 hours as an IFR passenger, whether he might be applying for a pilots job in the near future? He clearly knows what he is doing
I may have been heard to exclaim 'good ridance fat
' in the crew room here, much to the amusement of my colleagues.Good luck to whoever the new operator may be. Lets hope there will be a general move to raise the passage fees so that they can head to a 2 crew ME operation as it needs to be. Now that the individual in question will be out of the picture (other than staying on as a consultant no doubt), there shouldnt be any excuses.
I wonder, given that he has 1000 hours as an IFR passenger, whether he might be applying for a pilots job in the near future? He clearly knows what he is doing
Lets hope there will be a general move to raise the passage fees so that they can head to a 2 crew ME operation as it needs to be.
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Nice one Bellfest! Easily done when the machine makes about 75% of its power!The special ultra long range 109C might have had an exceedence or two also!
Im sure the marine pilots will feel so much better about being out of the hands of the donut monster and into machines fit for the job
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Well, I must say that having worked for a professional outfit there, it was a bit surprising to be out in the early hours of the morning with fog forecast at YBMK and having and needing a 4 hour endurance due to alternate requirements, to see the 206 out at the boarding ground.
I guess that must be one of those 206's with the 150 gallon tank!
I guess that must be one of those 206's with the 150 gallon tank!
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G'day All,
Should be interesting when all the facts are revealed on this one.
Don't forget chaps that the "private" nature of this organisation was "legal" under CASA regs. As long as the other requirements were followed (and as far as I know most of their pilots attempted to do so), then the operation was "legal". The pilots from there that I have come across seem to be as professional a bunch as you get anywhere. The fact that most are in MPT elsewhere or flying IFR twins attest to that. The point I'm trying to make is not to confuse questionable management using a loophole in the regs with "bad" pilots.
BTW Bellfest, I don't think that there is any excuse for overtorqueing a B206 (or a H500) in MPT operations. The helicopter doesn't know it's pitch black and the bloke pulling the lever shouldn't be looking outside anyway
Don't forget that there are quite a few 206's and 500's doing MPT's around the country every night of the year.
Cheers,
MPT
Should be interesting when all the facts are revealed on this one.
Don't forget chaps that the "private" nature of this organisation was "legal" under CASA regs. As long as the other requirements were followed (and as far as I know most of their pilots attempted to do so), then the operation was "legal". The pilots from there that I have come across seem to be as professional a bunch as you get anywhere. The fact that most are in MPT elsewhere or flying IFR twins attest to that. The point I'm trying to make is not to confuse questionable management using a loophole in the regs with "bad" pilots.
BTW Bellfest, I don't think that there is any excuse for overtorqueing a B206 (or a H500) in MPT operations. The helicopter doesn't know it's pitch black and the bloke pulling the lever shouldn't be looking outside anyway
Don't forget that there are quite a few 206's and 500's doing MPT's around the country every night of the year. Cheers,
MPT
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That's an interesting answer.
I presume we are talking about 'Night VFR' single pilot.
I think the reference to over torqueing, was referring to the approach and not enroute or taking off so at various points of the pilot transfer you need to be looking outside. Remember it is VFR. Even if it is an IFR operation you still need to conduct a VFR approach to the ship. The takeoff is the easy bit.
I presume we are talking about 'Night VFR' single pilot.
I think the reference to over torqueing, was referring to the approach and not enroute or taking off so at various points of the pilot transfer you need to be looking outside. Remember it is VFR. Even if it is an IFR operation you still need to conduct a VFR approach to the ship. The takeoff is the easy bit.
The take off is the easy bit? I'd disagree, on the way in you have instruments and a limited amount of visual clues to assist in the approach. You sit for a minute or so on the lit deck then take off. All of a sudden you are into the blackness, subject to any number of deceptive inner ear signals and no external visual clues, you can not tell where the water ends and the sky begins, so it requires a total reliance on instruments. You shouldn't think about looking outside until you are through 500'.
MPT
Not having a go at any pilots. I was stating it under the opinion that if I had collectively done that many transfers in a 206 at night there is a good chance that there would have have been several occasions where I would have considered a posetive rate of climb a bit more vital then an OT. Just looking at the law of averages. Maybe I'm just a s##t pilot
R44driver
I was talking about the take off. You could have taught me a thing or two if it was the easy bit!!
Not having a go at any pilots. I was stating it under the opinion that if I had collectively done that many transfers in a 206 at night there is a good chance that there would have have been several occasions where I would have considered a posetive rate of climb a bit more vital then an OT. Just looking at the law of averages. Maybe I'm just a s##t pilot
R44driver
I was talking about the take off. You could have taught me a thing or two if it was the easy bit!!
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Well sorry guys, having done a few night ships I thought we were on the same page.
To me, the approach to a ship is the critical part. If you assess things wrong you will either 1)go-around nicely 2) over stress the machine or 3)fly into the water.
If you have trouble with the takeoff, you shouldn't be out there.
It is a standard IFR Takeoff, if you start to lose it check your other enormous AH, what could go wrong?
Too many guys with not enough training still doing this, what are we waiting for?
To me, the approach to a ship is the critical part. If you assess things wrong you will either 1)go-around nicely 2) over stress the machine or 3)fly into the water.
If you have trouble with the takeoff, you shouldn't be out there.
It is a standard IFR Takeoff, if you start to lose it check your other enormous AH, what could go wrong?
Too many guys with not enough training still doing this, what are we waiting for?
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Remember the 206 in question is fully IFR machine. I dont think I would be out of order to sugges that Night VFR machines have no business being out at the Banks in the middle of the night, if that was the suggetion of course! As for the takeoffs, if youve done a few out there at night, youll know it aint visual... not a chance, the ship lights are gone within seconds and your straight into it. You have all the visual cues of Stevie Wonder trying to climb stairs!
As for the pilots, the last two chief pilots are top fellas and safety conscious to a fault. I agree with MPT... it's CASA who needs a kicking for allowing it to go ahead. By all accounts they hated it but were too limp to actually do anything about it. It might be all well and good for the donut monster to pressure pilots with his bluster and bulls@#t but one would expect a regulator to show a bit more spine. Its never reassuring when auditors on yet another 'emergency' audit leave the place wishing the pilots the best of luck and sympathy.
Again as per MPT's suggestion, the rules actually werent getting broken... perhaps stretched to the point of failure sure, but again where was the regulator!
At least its over for now. My vote is to shoot Captain Creosote out to the Banks via pneumatic canon with a chum bag attached about his neck as per suggestions by all invovled.
LOL... rant over
As for the pilots, the last two chief pilots are top fellas and safety conscious to a fault. I agree with MPT... it's CASA who needs a kicking for allowing it to go ahead. By all accounts they hated it but were too limp to actually do anything about it. It might be all well and good for the donut monster to pressure pilots with his bluster and bulls@#t but one would expect a regulator to show a bit more spine. Its never reassuring when auditors on yet another 'emergency' audit leave the place wishing the pilots the best of luck and sympathy.
Again as per MPT's suggestion, the rules actually werent getting broken... perhaps stretched to the point of failure sure, but again where was the regulator!
At least its over for now. My vote is to shoot Captain Creosote out to the Banks via pneumatic canon with a chum bag attached about his neck as per suggestions by all invovled.
LOL... rant over
It is a standard IFR Takeoff, if you start to lose it check your other enormous AH, what could go wrong?
Nil wind, crane ship, humid, Jabba da Hut in the backseat, pitch black
You can still fly into the water with your wings level. I am not taking the piss out of anyone and I would happily do it in a G5 during the day though I personally think I would find certain conditions uncomfortable on departure in a JR that heavy and I wouldn't hesitate to pull a bit more than my qouta to prevent being part of the only S/E SPIFR artificial reef in our waters.
On that note I would think that the guys who have/are doing it must be pretty professional. Very brave and tempting their fate a bit but good IFR pilots
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The 'what could go wrong' bit was in jest.
Having done a few night ships in jetrangers in various places I still think the approach is more hazardous than the departure.
The takeoff is all in the technique and if trained properly it should be no big deal assuming no mechanical failures. It is an IFR takeoff and needs to be treated as such.
If an overtorque happens the machine is probably too heavy for the conditions, or has been mishandled.
There is no substitute for proper training for this kind of operation.
Having done a few night ships in jetrangers in various places I still think the approach is more hazardous than the departure.
The takeoff is all in the technique and if trained properly it should be no big deal assuming no mechanical failures. It is an IFR takeoff and needs to be treated as such.
If an overtorque happens the machine is probably too heavy for the conditions, or has been mishandled.
There is no substitute for proper training for this kind of operation.
