Rotors Running Refuels around Scotland
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Rotors Running Refuels around Scotland
For GA use - not those secret company drums.
Putting a private flight together up to darkest Skibo from LBA.
Have yet to find a place that can do RRRF for me.
Elwood is too far south!
Looking for around Glasgow-Edinburgh
Cumbernauld is a negative!
Thanks in advance
PS. Let's not go over the 'why RRRF question' again!
Putting a private flight together up to darkest Skibo from LBA.
Have yet to find a place that can do RRRF for me.
Elwood is too far south!
Looking for around Glasgow-Edinburgh
Cumbernauld is a negative!
Thanks in advance
PS. Let's not go over the 'why RRRF question' again!
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I think Paul can do it at Oban. He fuels a lot of S61, Sea King and bigger traffic as well as a lot army machines.
Further south, Carlise do RRF (or did last time I saw them do it last summer). This would extend the range if flying Leeds/ furthernothinscotland
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Further south, Carlise do RRF (or did last time I saw them do it last summer). This would extend the range if flying Leeds/ furthernothinscotland
h-r
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Respect EESDL - you must have a cast-iron bladder (or one of those "Little John" bottles 
) .
Why not stop off at Cumbernauld anyway and take time out for a cup of tea and a cake (and a leak ) while we fill you up
) .Why not stop off at Cumbernauld anyway and take time out for a cup of tea and a cake (and a leak
) while we fill you up
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I think the comment about cast iron bladder is the governing factor here <VBG>. If you use Peterculter then phone to see they have sufficient fuel beforehand or you might get a surprise. Alternatively, PDG have fuel at Kintore but you'll need to arrange with them beforehand. To be honest, RRRF is a pointless exercise IMO you'd be better off with a more civilised break at Cumbernauld.
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Grainger
If we've already spoken on the telephone at Cumbernauld you'll appreciate that hot Allisons aren't the greatest turbines to start.
Ironically, if I do have to shutdown - I'd rather go for lunch & dinner and come back when they're a lot cooler!!!!
Unfortunately my passengers may not want to spend part of their weekend at Cumbernauld and would rather spend it at their destination.
Thanks for your input - just another indication of how GA community is trying to treat the helicopter like fixed-wing again.
Personally, I think it's sad that there are so few places where RRRF is available.
Trying to remember the last time a helicopter with refuel points so far away from exhaust/engine (or whatever it is that is meant to make the machine spontaneously combust when the word 'rotors-running' is mentioned) set itself on fire?
The need for fire cover by some operators is strange and must obviously be based on past incidents...............
Don't get me wrong, refueling AVGAS over a running exhaust is one thing - and does not need H&S assessments to tell you it's a foolhardy thing to do!
Indeed, Captain should have their licence shredded for requesting it in the first place.
Airports such as Carlisle and Wolves should be applauded for maintaining such a facility.
Hurrah! To airports/heliports who recognise that time really is money!!!!!
If we've already spoken on the telephone at Cumbernauld you'll appreciate that hot Allisons aren't the greatest turbines to start.
Ironically, if I do have to shutdown - I'd rather go for lunch & dinner and come back when they're a lot cooler!!!!
Unfortunately my passengers may not want to spend part of their weekend at Cumbernauld and would rather spend it at their destination.
Thanks for your input - just another indication of how GA community is trying to treat the helicopter like fixed-wing again.
Personally, I think it's sad that there are so few places where RRRF is available.
Trying to remember the last time a helicopter with refuel points so far away from exhaust/engine (or whatever it is that is meant to make the machine spontaneously combust when the word 'rotors-running' is mentioned) set itself on fire?
The need for fire cover by some operators is strange and must obviously be based on past incidents...............
Don't get me wrong, refueling AVGAS over a running exhaust is one thing - and does not need H&S assessments to tell you it's a foolhardy thing to do!
Indeed, Captain should have their licence shredded for requesting it in the first place.
Airports such as Carlisle and Wolves should be applauded for maintaining such a facility.
Hurrah! To airports/heliports who recognise that time really is money!!!!!
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Although I fly for a private company - we operate to JAR-Ops regulations - which allow, for certain situations and with suitably equipped/modified aircraft such a practice.
It's always a balanced decision.
Do you disembark passengers (regular chopper-company personnel) standing on the apron in hissing rain - getting nicely wet so they will mist-up the cabin/cockpit - at a location where shelter is across a busy ramp or miles away or do you keep them on board where situation is easier to retain control?
It's better to have them onboard so you can all have a smoke together and talk about whose mobile is best..................
imho - sad point-scoring attempt!
Grainger
popped into Cumbernauld for fuel yesterday.
Pleasant enough - but the horror story follows though
Fuel 63ppl inc vat
Landing fee (this is only for a refuel remember)
£58.70 inc vat
whilst personnel were friendly - prices weren't
may need to advise Pooley's that landing fees have changed!
Although I fly for a private company - we operate to JAR-Ops regulations - which allow, for certain situations and with suitably equipped/modified aircraft such a practice.
It's always a balanced decision.
Do you disembark passengers (regular chopper-company personnel) standing on the apron in hissing rain - getting nicely wet so they will mist-up the cabin/cockpit - at a location where shelter is across a busy ramp or miles away or do you keep them on board where situation is easier to retain control?
It's better to have them onboard so you can all have a smoke together and talk about whose mobile is best..................
imho - sad point-scoring attempt!
Grainger
popped into Cumbernauld for fuel yesterday.
Pleasant enough - but the horror story follows though
Fuel 63ppl inc vat
Landing fee (this is only for a refuel remember)
£58.70 inc vat
whilst personnel were friendly - prices weren't
may need to advise Pooley's that landing fees have changed!
