B206L3 Accident in PNG
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B206L3 Accident in PNG
I hear that a Bell 206L3 was written off yesterday afternoon @ 1740 on approach to the Moran 5/7 helipad at Moro PNG.
Total of 7 pob. 3 dead and 2 medevaced out.
Anyone got any details?
Total of 7 pob. 3 dead and 2 medevaced out.
Anyone got any details?
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Originally Posted by brame
I hear that a Bell 206L3 was written off yesterday afternoon @ 1740 on approach to the Moran 5/7 helipad at Moro PNG.
Total of 7 pob. 3 dead and 2 medevaced out.
Anyone got any details?
Total of 7 pob. 3 dead and 2 medevaced out.
Anyone got any details?
Thinking of them All
My sincere condolances to all the families. We will be thinking of them.
For the last poster the helicopter was operated by Hevilift.
Any word on who the pilot was?
For the last poster the helicopter was operated by Hevilift.
Any word on who the pilot was?
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God Bless to those who've lost and are suffering and wishes for a speedy recovery for the injured. I'm a 206 guy and would appreciate safety details for lessons learned.
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The pilot is in serious condition in Cairns hospital. I have been told that the area was socked in with cloud and the pilot appeared to be following the road. The guys in Moro speculate that he contacted a tree.
7 pax in a Longranger? My calc's indicate that it had to be overloaded comsidering that area is around 5000ft AMSL.
Saw the CAA guys getting onto the Dash in Moresby yesterday so they will be on the ground today.
7 pax in a Longranger? My calc's indicate that it had to be overloaded comsidering that area is around 5000ft AMSL.
Saw the CAA guys getting onto the Dash in Moresby yesterday so they will be on the ground today.
To the Chairmanofthebpoard
Sir,
I believe that your comments and speculation are way out of line at this time.
Your knowledge of both the facts and the aircraft limitations are rudementory at best and prehapes you should leave the factfinding to those more qualified.
Lean your thoughts to the families they deserve better.
I hope you fly safe,so others will not speculate your fate.
I believe that your comments and speculation are way out of line at this time.
Your knowledge of both the facts and the aircraft limitations are rudementory at best and prehapes you should leave the factfinding to those more qualified.
Lean your thoughts to the families they deserve better.
I hope you fly safe,so others will not speculate your fate.
Hevilift Ltd have published a media release about the P2-HCE accident, but it doesn't add much to what is known in the public domain (other than the name of the pilot).
Here's a link to what's appeared in the paper:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/...344270864.html
Here's a link to what's appeared in the paper:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/...344270864.html
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OK, since I apparently know very little about the situation, here are the facts for everyone else to make their own decision.
Landing site is at 5500ft AMSL
20 deg C or ISA + 16
Fog/cloud on the trees, so very little wind. Rescue aircraft could not get to the site.
7 welders on board - say averaging 200lbs each plus a 200lb pilot?
A/C weights for L3's about 2450lbs averaged.
Guess at about 200 to 300lbs of fuel.
I come to about 4000+ lbs without considering misc. bags, tools, books, survival equip. etc.
Gross internal = 4150lb
So what do you think? Can you stop the aircraft and hover given those conditions?
Pure speculation of course, he could've had an engine failure for all we know.
Landing site is at 5500ft AMSL
20 deg C or ISA + 16
Fog/cloud on the trees, so very little wind. Rescue aircraft could not get to the site.
7 welders on board - say averaging 200lbs each plus a 200lb pilot?
A/C weights for L3's about 2450lbs averaged.
Guess at about 200 to 300lbs of fuel.
I come to about 4000+ lbs without considering misc. bags, tools, books, survival equip. etc.
Gross internal = 4150lb
So what do you think? Can you stop the aircraft and hover given those conditions?
Pure speculation of course, he could've had an engine failure for all we know.
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A conclussion is being jumped to here. The initial thread said POB 7, which to means the usual 6 pax and the pilot. The press were probably told that there were 7 pob which they read to be 7 pax and then added the pilot, so methinks Chairmanofthebored is adding to the confussion with his assumption of there being 8 on board. Let's also be realistic and not assume that everybody is 200lbs as many mationals in PNG weigh less than 170lbs. Also, Oilsearch, with it's Chevron way of operating, would never allow there to be more pax than seats, it's a simple as that so let's quit that route.
The weather probably played a huge part in this as well as the fact that that particular machine (I have flown it) did not have an AH and although the pilot concerned should not have been in a position where he would have been inadvertent IMC, this piece of equipment may have helped. But, on the other hand, Hevi Lift, being a day VFR operation would not need this so they cannot be blamed for lack of equipment. Any number of reasons could have caused this, from mechanical failure to pushing the weather limits. As most of us are not qualified in the art of accident investigation we should leave it up to those that are, especially as most conclussions being drawn here are purely speculative at the minute.
The weather probably played a huge part in this as well as the fact that that particular machine (I have flown it) did not have an AH and although the pilot concerned should not have been in a position where he would have been inadvertent IMC, this piece of equipment may have helped. But, on the other hand, Hevi Lift, being a day VFR operation would not need this so they cannot be blamed for lack of equipment. Any number of reasons could have caused this, from mechanical failure to pushing the weather limits. As most of us are not qualified in the art of accident investigation we should leave it up to those that are, especially as most conclussions being drawn here are purely speculative at the minute.
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My apologies for the confusion. I mistyped. Only 6 pax and the pilot of course.
Pax were loaded with their equipment and having flown these guys before, a 200lb estimate is not excessive. I know the pilot too, but I am hesitant to release his name and uncertain of his condition today. Accidents happen, no blame appropriated because for all that is known he may still have had an engine failure. The question remains: would you take on this load into these conditions?
Hevilift operations are suspended in the Moro area and does anyone have an idea of when they will recommence?
Pax were loaded with their equipment and having flown these guys before, a 200lb estimate is not excessive. I know the pilot too, but I am hesitant to release his name and uncertain of his condition today. Accidents happen, no blame appropriated because for all that is known he may still have had an engine failure. The question remains: would you take on this load into these conditions?
Hevilift operations are suspended in the Moro area and does anyone have an idea of when they will recommence?
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"would you take on this load into these conditions"
What a squeezer you are. How many times do you have to be told. Get the facts before you give people the ****s. You do not know exactly what the aircraft payload was when it took off or when it crashed, you also don't know exactly what the pilot was experiencing in the cockpit at the time with regards to weather or the aircraft. Maybe he was overloaded, but maybe not, probably not. We will wait to hear the facts when the dust settles.
You also mentioned you know the pilot and are unsure of his condition and hesitant to release his name, well how important you must be, your parents must be proud of you.
If you are in fact a pilot and have flown in PNG as you mentioned, I doubt whether you were much good and I also doubt whether you lasted too long, BUT THATS JUST SPECULATION. I am guessing the company you worked for sorted you out pretty quickly. I have also flown those areas for sometime and I have seen a lot of good pilots killed and injured. And when something goes wrong the experienced pilots don't speculate on what went wrong and suggest things like overloading, instead they wait until the facts come out and learn from them, at this time good pilots should quietly be glad that they are not in the same predicament, and will be thinking about the families and mates of those left behind.
Just remember this... Never say never...
What a squeezer you are. How many times do you have to be told. Get the facts before you give people the ****s. You do not know exactly what the aircraft payload was when it took off or when it crashed, you also don't know exactly what the pilot was experiencing in the cockpit at the time with regards to weather or the aircraft. Maybe he was overloaded, but maybe not, probably not. We will wait to hear the facts when the dust settles.
You also mentioned you know the pilot and are unsure of his condition and hesitant to release his name, well how important you must be, your parents must be proud of you.
If you are in fact a pilot and have flown in PNG as you mentioned, I doubt whether you were much good and I also doubt whether you lasted too long, BUT THATS JUST SPECULATION. I am guessing the company you worked for sorted you out pretty quickly. I have also flown those areas for sometime and I have seen a lot of good pilots killed and injured. And when something goes wrong the experienced pilots don't speculate on what went wrong and suggest things like overloading, instead they wait until the facts come out and learn from them, at this time good pilots should quietly be glad that they are not in the same predicament, and will be thinking about the families and mates of those left behind.
Just remember this... Never say never...
