Cockpit placarding
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Cockpit placarding
Something that I have been curious about for a while..................
We are all familiar with the various placards that are required to be in the cockpit in view of the pilot. Some, such as "No pushovers allowed" or whatever the exact wording is are obvious and relevant in an R22. However, one about which I have wondered for a while is "Tip Weights Installed"
Why does the pilot need to know? Should he (she) care? Perhaps one of the experts can enlighten me.
We are all familiar with the various placards that are required to be in the cockpit in view of the pilot. Some, such as "No pushovers allowed" or whatever the exact wording is are obvious and relevant in an R22. However, one about which I have wondered for a while is "Tip Weights Installed"
Why does the pilot need to know? Should he (she) care? Perhaps one of the experts can enlighten me.
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From: Den Haag
Surely the most useless placard going has to be the S-76 Vne power off placard!
"Right, so I've just had a double engine flame out in IMC, let's sort out the priorities before I hit the ground; A) Check the Vne, B) ......"
"Right, so I've just had a double engine flame out in IMC, let's sort out the priorities before I hit the ground; A) Check the Vne, B) ......"
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From: In my Hammock or at the Pub!
no expert but the SPD for range in an auto is generally higher than the V MIN D SPD (Auto ish SPD) if you are going for range and you are at high DA or High altitude to may approach the Vne for that DA if you simply try to fly an IAS SPD you remembered from the flight manual for range at low DA.
Or maybe it is a use less placard?
How is oil and gas these days Brian? Say gidday to the boys from me.
Max
Or maybe it is a use less placard?
How is oil and gas these days Brian? Say gidday to the boys from me.
Max
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From: Den Haag
Maxeemum,
I see your point, up to a point! However the sorts of speeds in question are so high that they would yield eye watering rates of descent! I don't imagine many pilots would push much over 100 kts to try and get some range.
Brian, I would hope that the failures happened sequentially so you would have slowed below Vne before being in autorotation. Interesting point though.
Old Beefer, dunno mate!
I see your point, up to a point! However the sorts of speeds in question are so high that they would yield eye watering rates of descent! I don't imagine many pilots would push much over 100 kts to try and get some range.
Brian, I would hope that the failures happened sequentially so you would have slowed below Vne before being in autorotation. Interesting point though.
Old Beefer, dunno mate!
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From: Appleby-in-Westmorland Cumbria England
Originally Posted by oldbeefer
'equipment approved as class III may not be used where a mandatory requirement exists for the carriage of such equipment'. What does that mean?
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From: Norway
Vne for autorotation is important in order to be able to maintain Nr (high drag on blades at high speed). Flying at speeds above max speed for autorotation should not be a problem as the excessive speed can be used to maintain or recover Nr (gentle flare). Perhaps there is a need for this particular placard???
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From: Ask the voices!
deeper,
I agree that is a silly one. But then it is mandatory, because the CAA say so, so it's bound to be silly.
I think they actually specify that every exit must be placarded as such, inside and out, on every aircraft.
I agree that is a silly one. But then it is mandatory, because the CAA say so, so it's bound to be silly.
I think they actually specify that every exit must be placarded as such, inside and out, on every aircraft.
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From: Southern UK
I think it was the late Norman Jones who founded the Tiger Club and insisted all their machines cockpits were placarded thus
"All Aeroplanes bite fools"
Short and to the point but thought provoking nonetheless and I bet it has saved a few lives over the years.
W
"All Aeroplanes bite fools"
Short and to the point but thought provoking nonetheless and I bet it has saved a few lives over the years.
W
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From: Iceland
[QUOTE][I know where the doors are on a Robbie, the have exit signs on them/QUOTE]
It´s a we´ll known joke among the rest of the world on the silliness of the UK CAA.
Unfortunately the EASA is bringing this to the rest of Europe.
It´s a we´ll known joke among the rest of the world on the silliness of the UK CAA.
Unfortunately the EASA is bringing this to the rest of Europe.
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From: Warrington, UK
Placard along side the GPSs in our Squirrels - 'equipment approved as class III may not be used where a mandatory requirement exists for the carriage of such equipment'. What does that mean?
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From: canada
Originally Posted by sprocket
"Aircraft NOT to be flown without pilot"
Saw this one many years ago, with reference to the weight and balance.
Saw this one many years ago, with reference to the weight and balance.
shouldn't that be in the autopilot flight supplement - limitations, not weight and balance ???
