UN Puma crash - Sudan
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UN Puma crash - Sudan
UN helicopter crashes in Darfur, one reportedly dead
Jan 25, 2006, 17:17 GMT
Khartoum - A United Nations Puma helicopter carrying 16 people crashed in the Jebel Marra area in central Darfur in Sudan after experiencing a technical failure upon landing, a UN spokeswoman said from Khartoum Wednesday.
'The eight passengers were NGO (non-governmental organization) workers who were being evacuated out of the region when the accident occurred,' the spokeswoman told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa.
A source working for the Irish humanitarian aid organization GOAL said that the helicopter crash killed one passenger and left 10 others in a critical condition.
The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the helicopter was carrying as many as 35 passengers.
Recent fighting by the Sudanese Liberation Army (SLA) rebel movement had prompted the evacuation of all humanitarian workers, reports indicated.
Another UN helicopter was reportedly on its way to the small hamlet of Dyalla, where the accident took place, to assist in the rescue effort.
No official statement has yet been released to confirm the nature and number of possible casualties.
Unconfirmed reports said those on board were mostly the Sudanese staff of unnamed NGOs and that the helicopter made a forced landing after experiencing problems with its rotor.
Jan 25, 2006, 17:17 GMT
Khartoum - A United Nations Puma helicopter carrying 16 people crashed in the Jebel Marra area in central Darfur in Sudan after experiencing a technical failure upon landing, a UN spokeswoman said from Khartoum Wednesday.
'The eight passengers were NGO (non-governmental organization) workers who were being evacuated out of the region when the accident occurred,' the spokeswoman told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa.
A source working for the Irish humanitarian aid organization GOAL said that the helicopter crash killed one passenger and left 10 others in a critical condition.
The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the helicopter was carrying as many as 35 passengers.
Recent fighting by the Sudanese Liberation Army (SLA) rebel movement had prompted the evacuation of all humanitarian workers, reports indicated.
Another UN helicopter was reportedly on its way to the small hamlet of Dyalla, where the accident took place, to assist in the rescue effort.
No official statement has yet been released to confirm the nature and number of possible casualties.
Unconfirmed reports said those on board were mostly the Sudanese staff of unnamed NGOs and that the helicopter made a forced landing after experiencing problems with its rotor.
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There are 5 D reg Puma's in Sudan, and 2 South African aircraft, all working for the UN, under Helog's contract.
No news yet on which one it was, my thoughts are with all those involved.
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No news yet on which one it was, my thoughts are with all those involved.
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This is the rumour, unconfirmed and obviously subject to embellishment.
D-HAXI, with a French crew, crashed coming out of Daya, There were reportedly 16 pax, and a crew of 3. Daya is about a 45 minute flight to the nearest fuel, and with Daya being around 6000 ft and normally around ISA plus 30 degrees, the aircraft was obviously working hard.
The aircraft apparently "ran out of power (Eng fail?)"
There was some kind of post crash fire and the aircraft will not fly again.
No word on the condition of the casualties
As I said unconfirmed, and probably totally lacking in fact, but this is a rumour network!
D-HAXI, with a French crew, crashed coming out of Daya, There were reportedly 16 pax, and a crew of 3. Daya is about a 45 minute flight to the nearest fuel, and with Daya being around 6000 ft and normally around ISA plus 30 degrees, the aircraft was obviously working hard.
The aircraft apparently "ran out of power (Eng fail?)"
There was some kind of post crash fire and the aircraft will not fly again.
No word on the condition of the casualties
As I said unconfirmed, and probably totally lacking in fact, but this is a rumour network!
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Originally Posted by SiClick
As I said unconfirmed, and probably totally lacking in fact, but this is a rumour network!
What???
You should`t spread any rumours in here. Nobody should this!
First rakes not if people have come to damage or even were killed.
The decency of one's own should already forbid this!
So stop talking here about engine failures, roter problems or an overloaded helicopter and please wait for an official statement from "Helog-Austria".
Thanks for that!
Effected Helicopter is a Puma "D-HAXM" (ex BGS-Germany) wich belongs to "HELOG-AT" Austria and thats the only thing wich is confirmed yet.
Rest will follow...
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If u wanne know any details about the crash of this helicopter at Sudan click here
Please notice:
This is a UNO-Statement! Not the official statement of "Helog-Heliswiss"!
Please notice:
This is a UNO-Statement! Not the official statement of "Helog-Heliswiss"!
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You should`t spread any rumours in here. Nobody should this!
First rakes not if people have come to damage or even were killed.
The decency of one's own should already forbid this!
First rakes not if people have come to damage or even were killed.
The decency of one's own should already forbid this!
By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
So stop talking here about engine failures, roter problems or an overloaded helicopter and please wait for an official statement from "Helog-Heliswiss/Switzerland" wich will be released soon.
I see on your profile you are the "lead mechanic of HELOG". I understand you are linked to the ship and the crew. Feel free to discuss with us, but don't try to stop our talks. All the postings up to this point touching the accident are good to me.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/MCD625261.htm
As you can find in the link "U.N. sources said the helicopter crash landed because it had rotor problems."
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The ship is totally outburned. Such a wreckage, in this godforsaken country! I bet we will never hear the real circumstances of this accident. Overloaded, technical problems or bullets...
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One down, six to go!
"Sea launcher", methinks the fellow doth protest too much!
It will be interesting to see whether the German LBA will now get off it's lederhosen "derriere" and venture outside the Fatherland's borders to audit Helog Austria/Zagel Air's operation in Sudan?
But don't place your bets yet, is that a pig I see flying past my Tryolean "berghaus"? Perhaps the (alleged) umbilical cord between Zagel Airs "esteemed organ" and the German Foreign ministry will yet prevail?, or maybe not?
It will be interesting to see whether the German LBA will now get off it's lederhosen "derriere" and venture outside the Fatherland's borders to audit Helog Austria/Zagel Air's operation in Sudan?
But don't place your bets yet, is that a pig I see flying past my Tryolean "berghaus"? Perhaps the (alleged) umbilical cord between Zagel Airs "esteemed organ" and the German Foreign ministry will yet prevail?, or maybe not?
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Helog have still said nothing, its now a long time from the accident. It is clearly no wonder that pilots speculate as to the cause of the accident. Siclick made it very clear that what he had heard was not an official version of events.
It seems from some of the other posts that perhaps we have not speculated enough about Helog's operation in Sudan.
Helog have still said nothing, its now a long time from the accident. It is clearly no wonder that pilots speculate as to the cause of the accident. Siclick made it very clear that what he had heard was not an official version of events.
It seems from some of the other posts that perhaps we have not speculated enough about Helog's operation in Sudan.
Perhaps Airspeed's Alive has more information about the operation than he lets on.....hopefully he will pass along some more of the juicer bits.
The accident ship is an ex German Border Guard Puma helicopter. Sold direct from official use to HELOG in an astonishing short time outside the normal way (without international offer by tender). As an ex Border Guard ship the a/c is equipped with NVG cockpit and with FLIR. Interesting to me, is the kind of operation. The ship is german registered but couldn't be operated in this manner under german and JAA law. Anyway, HELOG was searching for pilots with "NVG experience".
http://www.rotor-rescue.net/pdf/rrj02_05_1.pdf
Found this last year job offer:
Entreprise :
Helog Lufttransport KG
Poste :
8 Captains on Puma SA330 - United Nations peacekeeping mission in Sudan
Lieu :
Sudan
Salaire :
Descriptif :
Captains on Puma SA330
JAR-licence and IR required
NVG and winching experience a plus
2500 total flight hours
1000 on helicopter type
French national ATPL also accepted
UN peacekeeping mission in Sudan
on/off schedule, 2 yrs. contract with option for extension
Type of Position: Contractor (free lance)
Starting Date: immediately
Overnight Travel: More Than 75%
Preferred Method of Contact: E-mail
Contact:
Mrs Michaela Wehrle
Helog Lufttransport KG
Kröbenfeldstrasse 12d
5020 Salzburg
Austria
Please apply before August 8, 2005 by email with cover letters and resumes:
[email protected]
Site web :
www.helog.de
http://www.rotor-rescue.net/pdf/rrj02_05_1.pdf
Found this last year job offer:
Entreprise :
Helog Lufttransport KG
Poste :
8 Captains on Puma SA330 - United Nations peacekeeping mission in Sudan
Lieu :
Sudan
Salaire :
Descriptif :
Captains on Puma SA330
JAR-licence and IR required
NVG and winching experience a plus
2500 total flight hours
1000 on helicopter type
French national ATPL also accepted
UN peacekeeping mission in Sudan
on/off schedule, 2 yrs. contract with option for extension
Type of Position: Contractor (free lance)
Starting Date: immediately
Overnight Travel: More Than 75%
Preferred Method of Contact: E-mail
Contact:
Mrs Michaela Wehrle
Helog Lufttransport KG
Kröbenfeldstrasse 12d
5020 Salzburg
Austria
Please apply before August 8, 2005 by email with cover letters and resumes:
[email protected]
Site web :
www.helog.de
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Absolutely nothing here on TV, ARD & ZDF usually good with foreign stuff…. Nothing, RTL/Proseiben sensational news….. nothing, N24 same!
Everybody here is too busy wondering if they feds got taken for a ride when paying Suzanne Osthoff’s ransom!
Also interesting how they got their hands on the 330’s, they are very well looked after and I know several people who wanted to get their hands on them when the ex CHC 332’s were ready.
Everybody here is too busy wondering if they feds got taken for a ride when paying Suzanne Osthoff’s ransom!
Also interesting how they got their hands on the 330’s, they are very well looked after and I know several people who wanted to get their hands on them when the ex CHC 332’s were ready.
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This is the preliminary german AAIB report:
Narrative: Short after take-off the helicopter tumbled and plummeted into a building. The helicopter was immediately consumed by fire.
Type designator: AS 330J
State of registry: Germany
Mass group: 5701-27 000kg
Operation type: Passenger
Injuries:
Pilot: 1 serious
Passengers: 1 fatal
Flight phase: Take-off
All other fields in this report are unfilled.
Narrative: Short after take-off the helicopter tumbled and plummeted into a building. The helicopter was immediately consumed by fire.
Type designator: AS 330J
State of registry: Germany
Mass group: 5701-27 000kg
Operation type: Passenger
Injuries:
Pilot: 1 serious
Passengers: 1 fatal
Flight phase: Take-off
All other fields in this report are unfilled.
The prooner, westym, might be able to give us more gen on this accident.
According to this thread:
westym - any further info for us?
According to this thread:
(I know cos I'm one of them-I fly SAR Puma's in Sudan)
westym - any further info for us?
.... or ambidextrous?
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Ambidextrous has retired from the fray (sighs of relief all round!), bloodied but unbowed he hands the cudgels of truth with responsibility to Airspeed Alive!
For more info on this accident I suspect you need to tempt SiClick back to the forum as he was your main man last year but he's probably too busy punching the buttons on the FMC of his new toy at FL390!
For more info on this accident I suspect you need to tempt SiClick back to the forum as he was your main man last year but he's probably too busy punching the buttons on the FMC of his new toy at FL390!
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Originally Posted by Quichotte
I see on your profile you are the "lead mechanic of HELOG". I understand you are linked to the ship and the crew. Feel free to discuss with us, but don't try to stop our talks. All the postings up to this point touching the accident are good to me.
Hi Quichotte
Correction:
I`m the lead-mechanic of the Kamov-team of "Helog-Heliswiss".
Not the lead-mechanic of the Puma-fleet of "Helog"!
For all:
I will not involve myself in it this kind of discusions.
It is starting allways like a big hunt and it ends mostly in a unfair and disrespectful way for all involved people, the crew self or the involved companys.
I`ve seen and experienced that live mutible times!
Doesnt matter if it is a "Puma" crash of "Helog", a lost external load by a "Lama" from "Knaus" at Austria or a any other crashed A/C somewhere else worlwide.
Allways (!!!) some self-appointed "Aviation Experts", found somewhere at a glider-airfield, have placed statements at the press, at the TV or at the Internet wich are superficial, autocratic and unprofesional without giving the crew self a posibility to place there own statement.
And why all that?? Because just the story counts and just that is saleable!! ...and nothing else!
Fu** all the facts, the conditions or the statements from the crew self.
A great story is so much better then the real circumstances.
All crashed crews and passengers will fight for a long time with all the things wich were happend and the crash self. Some of them i know by myself and they will never again enter a helicopter or aicraft for there life time.
The last they need at this situation as another group of self-appointed experts, sitting at home at there nice little flats busy by analysing an accident wich were happend tausends of miles away at a country they never even have seen before just by reading statements at the internet.
None of u has talked to the involved crew since that!
None of u has seen or talked to one of the passengers wich were involved!
None of u has seen any pictures of the crash result!
But i did and none of them can realy say what really happend or what has corsed this accident. That is also the reason for the outstanding statement from Helog. So keep writing here that the good relationships between some person at Austria-helicopter-aviation-buisness and the "German-lederhosen-LBA" will prevent any fair investigations!
...and feel free to keep playing the "experts"
I just hope and i wish for all of you that the day will never come, when someone of u guys after a crash gets being part of a hunt like this.
...it was a short membership for me here at this "forum"
(...or however u wanne called this...)
U calling yourself a group of profes. pilots, doing that aviation stuff daily???
Some of u realy transportating daily pax or cargo from A to B?
So i`m verry glad and happy that my team is so much differnet like u`re!
Quite honest...
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...of statement and membership...
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