Flying in Europe with FAA License?
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Flying in Europe with FAA License?
This may have been asked before......
I may be offered a 6-12 months contract job flying in Europe. I hold an FAA ATPL-H. Can I fly in the JAA countries for a limited time and if so are there any written tests required (Air Law)?
Thanks for info.
Bitmonx
I may be offered a 6-12 months contract job flying in Europe. I hold an FAA ATPL-H. Can I fly in the JAA countries for a limited time and if so are there any written tests required (Air Law)?
Thanks for info.
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Re: Flying in Europe with FAA License?
Basically you can only fly N-Reg.
There is something like a validation but that on a case to case basis. Your employer has to apply for it and be very specific why he needs to employ a foreigner. Best thing is to contact the CAA about the validation.
Good luck.
There is something like a validation but that on a case to case basis. Your employer has to apply for it and be very specific why he needs to employ a foreigner. Best thing is to contact the CAA about the validation.
Good luck.
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You can get a validation and it will be valid for 12 months. No tests or exams, just proof of experience and medical. It will stay in force as long as your medical is valid
Yes, your employer has to apply for it. The application form is on the CAA website. The restrictions are:
These requirements are applicable to G registered aircraft only. I don't know how the other European countries work it.
Yes, your employer has to apply for it. The application form is on the CAA website. The restrictions are:
- Valid only for that particular employer
- Valid only for one particular aircraft type
- Aerial work operations only
- Not allowed to instruct on G registered aircraft
These requirements are applicable to G registered aircraft only. I don't know how the other European countries work it.
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Thanks for your infos. The company is Xclusifaviacharter from Finland and the bird would be an R22.
Anybody heared from that company and what kind of work do they do? I have not found a website and at this point they are not revealing anything about the work involved since they have not yet decided about who is going to be hired.
Is Finland part of the JAA?
Anybody heared from that company and what kind of work do they do? I have not found a website and at this point they are not revealing anything about the work involved since they have not yet decided about who is going to be hired.
Is Finland part of the JAA?
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they are not revealing anything about the work involved since they have not yet decided about who is going to be hired.
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i was told yesterday by an AME that you could fly any G reg aircraft on an FAA commercial helicopter ticket so long as you didn't cross out of uk airspace and into international or foreign airspace - so i take it he was slightly incorrect??
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You can fly an aircraft privately without a validation of your existing FAA licence. ie. Not get paid for acting as a pilot and not charging the punters.
You can fly an aircraft privately without a validation of your existing FAA licence. ie. Not get paid for acting as a pilot and not charging the punters.
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Oogle could you please elaborate on private flying on a FAA licence without Validation.. if you have the rule/act reference that would be handy
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You might want to check the insurance small print......at least the operator/owner might want to to protect their own interests. Also, for validation purposes, I believe an Air Law exam is standard ops regardless of what JAA state. Validation periods are completely at the discretion of the issuing authority : For the basic bones and truth contact www.jaa.nl & good luck. It's quite a big site.
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Ok next question......
desperately want to fly helo's commercially in the UK - problem is i am deaf in one ear, i have the funding to do it and the will, but the caa say that i will not be able to sit wwith one ear uncovered and talk to my captain / co- pilot and listen to the RT at the same time. But i tried taking off my headset in an R22 - i wouldn't matter if you had the hearing of a bat you still wouldn't be able to hold a conversation!!! I don't think you could talk to a co -pilot in many helicopters (if any- correct me if i'm wrong) without a headset! So having passed the FAA medical no problem i was lead to believe that the FAA CPLH would allow some commercial activity in this country -obviosly wrong
so then chaps and chapesses any suggestions on how to overcome this problem ? there is i think the possibility of training and hour building in the states and then the CAA may grant a deviation as i would already have an aviation "career" but its a big risk to take with alot of money on a maybe from the CAA.......is there an alternative route i should look at?? any help would be greatly appreciated as i know there are pilots out there who are deaf in one ear....
desperately want to fly helo's commercially in the UK - problem is i am deaf in one ear, i have the funding to do it and the will, but the caa say that i will not be able to sit wwith one ear uncovered and talk to my captain / co- pilot and listen to the RT at the same time. But i tried taking off my headset in an R22 - i wouldn't matter if you had the hearing of a bat you still wouldn't be able to hold a conversation!!! I don't think you could talk to a co -pilot in many helicopters (if any- correct me if i'm wrong) without a headset! So having passed the FAA medical no problem i was lead to believe that the FAA CPLH would allow some commercial activity in this country -obviosly wrong
so then chaps and chapesses any suggestions on how to overcome this problem ? there is i think the possibility of training and hour building in the states and then the CAA may grant a deviation as i would already have an aviation "career" but its a big risk to take with alot of money on a maybe from the CAA.......is there an alternative route i should look at?? any help would be greatly appreciated as i know there are pilots out there who are deaf in one ear....
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Re: Flying in Europe with FAA License?
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Look on the UK CAA website - Safety Regulation Group (SRG)
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...75&pagetype=68
It will state in there that it must be for private operations only and only while your ICAO licence and medical is valid.
Hope this helps.
Look on the UK CAA website - Safety Regulation Group (SRG)
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...75&pagetype=68
- Go to LASORS
- Then under "General of Section 1 (LAS)
- Section A7 - "Non JAA Licence Holders"
- Then scroll down to "Exercising the privileges of a non-UK licence in a UK registered aircraft"
It will state in there that it must be for private operations only and only while your ICAO licence and medical is valid.
Hope this helps.
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Does anyone know how it works if the situation is the other way?
I.e. JAA pilot can he fly a FAA registered aircraft privately in Europe?
I.e. JAA pilot can he fly a FAA registered aircraft privately in Europe?
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I have tried to get a validation in Spain and its more trouble than its worth and is only valid for a year anyway. From what I have found out over the last 6 months, its impossible to get credit for any prior experience and licences from the UK CAA and I will have to write all 14 examinations. As yet, there appears to be little in common within the JAA countries, despite the name. If I do the flight test in Spain it wont be valid in the UK anyway. I cant comment about the other member countries and would welcome any suggestion that other CAA's would grant some form of credit for experience or other licences.
I was hoping that having two ICAO ATP's, one of them issued by the FAA, would mean I could be exempt from doing all the examinations. After all, helicopter aerodynamics dont change when you cross a border, and if you can find the border, it means that your Nav and Met is probably up to scratch too. I have no problem doing Law or Ops etc. if its different from what I am familiar with, it is just a bit frustrating doing the same job, in the same type, in the same country, but not being able to fly the machine next to me because it has a different registration. Spain, in particular, has a law that says you may not act as PIC if you do not hold an EU passport. Does anyone know if there is another EU country with this law?
Enough whining. Good luck to those of you trying to get validations, I have given up.
Jab
I was hoping that having two ICAO ATP's, one of them issued by the FAA, would mean I could be exempt from doing all the examinations. After all, helicopter aerodynamics dont change when you cross a border, and if you can find the border, it means that your Nav and Met is probably up to scratch too. I have no problem doing Law or Ops etc. if its different from what I am familiar with, it is just a bit frustrating doing the same job, in the same type, in the same country, but not being able to fly the machine next to me because it has a different registration. Spain, in particular, has a law that says you may not act as PIC if you do not hold an EU passport. Does anyone know if there is another EU country with this law?
Enough whining. Good luck to those of you trying to get validations, I have given up.
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Jab, Just to remind you as stated earlier in the thread: Validation is applied for by the Operator/Company that wants to hire you. It is up to your potential employer to justify your validation issue from the pertinent authority. A point of consideration is the experience and type ratings held along with IFR/Multi Engine considerations! At the end of the day if you can do it and no one else can, yhou'll get your initial validation from most authorities.
It really is painful and frustrating.....but thats what protectionism does in the so called free World!!!!
It really is painful and frustrating.....but thats what protectionism does in the so called free World!!!!
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I realise that the company has to apply for the validation, thats the problem. There is no facility for getting a validation yourself in order to find work. Catch 22.
There is protectionism, as I have found in Spain where they require an EU passport to be PIC, but also in the JAA/CAA system. This protectionism works for the people currently in the market but it is going to cause problems in the future when there are too few pilots entering the market. From what we hear all the time on the different websites, there is already a shortage of experienced drivers out there and its just going to get worse. I support having high standards as long they are relevant to the job. There is a lot of unnecessary rubbish in the theory syllabus as it is, and it appears that the whole purpose is merely to make it as expensive and difficult as possible to make flying a career. Which other career has a person spending so much money every year just for the privilege of working?
Sorry, ranting again.
There is protectionism, as I have found in Spain where they require an EU passport to be PIC, but also in the JAA/CAA system. This protectionism works for the people currently in the market but it is going to cause problems in the future when there are too few pilots entering the market. From what we hear all the time on the different websites, there is already a shortage of experienced drivers out there and its just going to get worse. I support having high standards as long they are relevant to the job. There is a lot of unnecessary rubbish in the theory syllabus as it is, and it appears that the whole purpose is merely to make it as expensive and difficult as possible to make flying a career. Which other career has a person spending so much money every year just for the privilege of working?
Sorry, ranting again.
