How Many Rotorheads...
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From: UK
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I am new to nav lights.
Am I better off learning how to change R22 Nav lights or should I learn how to change S300 Nav Lights instead.
Also, once I am qualified, which is the best country to gain experience changing these Nav Lights, with a view to becoming a commercial nav light changer, and then a Nav Light changing instructor.
I have done a search but cannot find any reference to said Nav Lights.
Am I better off learning how to change R22 Nav lights or should I learn how to change S300 Nav Lights instead.
Also, once I am qualified, which is the best country to gain experience changing these Nav Lights, with a view to becoming a commercial nav light changer, and then a Nav Light changing instructor.
I have done a search but cannot find any reference to said Nav Lights.
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From: Northampton UK
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Your best bet is to join the RAF and let the Queen pay for you to learn to change nav lights.
Then come out and do the necessary CAA approved training to change civilian nav lights (infinitely simpler but requires more paperwork and money).
RC
Then come out and do the necessary CAA approved training to change civilian nav lights (infinitely simpler but requires more paperwork and money).
RC
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From: Downeast
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If the lamp requiring change is on a local area training aircraft that does not leave the local area....can it be called a "nav light"?
What would it be called?
Do we call them "Nav" lights because they are not very bright?
What would it be called?
Do we call them "Nav" lights because they are not very bright?
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And don't forget at least 3 who will add that if the tail rotor had been properly balanced the Nav light would have lasted longer.
There will then be further hair splitting on whether it was excessive N per rev that was trashing the Nav lights or main drive shaft imbalance which will spawn more flaming attacks on the less informed from those in the know.
And for good measure a few old salts will heap condemnation on all new aircraft types for having higher than desireable vibration levels at their certified cruise speeds.
Belter of a thread! Lu must be having a ball somewhere
There will then be further hair splitting on whether it was excessive N per rev that was trashing the Nav lights or main drive shaft imbalance which will spawn more flaming attacks on the less informed from those in the know.
And for good measure a few old salts will heap condemnation on all new aircraft types for having higher than desireable vibration levels at their certified cruise speeds.
Belter of a thread! Lu must be having a ball somewhere
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From: Downeast
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Please don't forget the passengers who were terrified and thought they were going to die when they learned of the loss of the tail light....and how they are now going to get their Union involved to ensure they do not have to risk death by the operators using that brand of bulb/lamp!
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From: Auckland
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...Ahhhhh
I thought you only turned those green/red lights on at christmas, or when a boat reached 501feet...will my navigation improve if I leave them on for the full circuit?
I thought you only turned those green/red lights on at christmas, or when a boat reached 501feet...will my navigation improve if I leave them on for the full circuit?
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From: Australia
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Then "John Ecott" will post a grainy photo of the said Navlights on the side of a Wessex on some ancient aircraft carrier while SAS lads are loading for a walk around Malaysia, "Blenderpilot" will host the photo, "Ned" will travel to South Africa to shoot the navlight in action during a rhino darting mission, and the navlight photo will grace the February 2006 ROTORHEADS calendar, "Mama Mangrove" will enquire about the state of navlights in West Africa, "IHL" will comment that he once saw that navlight on a 76 offshore and "Steve76" will blame the retarded discussion on the pathetic english hogging the forum!....
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From: WA
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I’d like to take this opportunity to thank all involved in this incident for their maturity in dealing with this safety issue. It goes to highlight the value of a comprehensive approach to safety.
If it weren’t for the Rig Pigs that spotted this potential hazardous anomaly and raised the require incident report, the said defect could well have been the first link in the chain that may well have lead to a catastrophe.
You see, we regard our Rig Pigs as crew. In a mature organization as ours, CRM doesn’t stop with the people that actually have legal responsibilities.
You will doubtlessly be impressed to hear that the Safety Committee has thoroughly thrashed this issue out and have come up with a set of mitigators.
The Safety Committee consists of 2 x Rig Pig, 2 x Pilot, The office girl. The human resources manager, 2 x Crew men and the CEO’s dog. The following recommendations were considered:
1. Replace the existing Nav Lights with High intensity light emitting diodes like the ones on the back of trucks.
2. Wire a second set of lights in parallel.
3. Shock mounting the existing lights.
4. Calculate the average mean time between failures of nav lights throughout the entire fleet and pre-emptively replace the bulbs at intervals calculated to include a 50% safety factor.
I suggested replacing the old bulb with a new one but this idea was dismissed and I was criticized for not thinking outside the square.
As the contract will be up for renewal shortly we will be going with the Rig Pig’s suggestions.
If it weren’t for the Rig Pigs that spotted this potential hazardous anomaly and raised the require incident report, the said defect could well have been the first link in the chain that may well have lead to a catastrophe.
You see, we regard our Rig Pigs as crew. In a mature organization as ours, CRM doesn’t stop with the people that actually have legal responsibilities.
You will doubtlessly be impressed to hear that the Safety Committee has thoroughly thrashed this issue out and have come up with a set of mitigators.
The Safety Committee consists of 2 x Rig Pig, 2 x Pilot, The office girl. The human resources manager, 2 x Crew men and the CEO’s dog. The following recommendations were considered:
1. Replace the existing Nav Lights with High intensity light emitting diodes like the ones on the back of trucks.
2. Wire a second set of lights in parallel.
3. Shock mounting the existing lights.
4. Calculate the average mean time between failures of nav lights throughout the entire fleet and pre-emptively replace the bulbs at intervals calculated to include a 50% safety factor.
I suggested replacing the old bulb with a new one but this idea was dismissed and I was criticized for not thinking outside the square.
As the contract will be up for renewal shortly we will be going with the Rig Pig’s suggestions.
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From: Dubai
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Then Chairmanofthebored will have to be corrected by an Old Salt that John Eacott was a Pinger in the Fleet Air Arm and therefore didn't fly the SAS but dangled his ball in the oggin.
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From: UK
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1 post from a spotter who had just been through grandad's attic and found a nav light (with a photo attached), Gramps flew Belvederes in Malaya yet it could come from any RW type: could anyone identify it ?
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From: Kammbronn
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Still awaiting the post from a former V-Force member to point out that V-bomber lamps were much stronger, as they had to form an integral part of the nuclear deterrent, which, as we all know, contributed so much to the freedoms we now have to post information on topics such as the integrity of our aircraft.