Could Nick Lappos (et all) please write a book?
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Could Nick Lappos (et all) please write a book?
Nick......Mr. Lappos....
How does this idea strike you?
We low timers glean a LOT from your posts, and the posts of several other regular (experienced) PPRuners like Dennis Kenyon, amongst others.
Hows about a "professional helicopter pilot's manual" co-authored by those professionals (from around the globe) voted "IN" by the prospective buyers of said text?
That is, PPRune Rotorheads could organise some kind of poll to vote for Author and Content, (even if conflicting in stance on certain issues; perspectives) Moderated by agreed rules?
I am perhaps naive in the practicalities of the publishing game, but it seems to me that the target audience would be an excellent judge of where to start and with whom to start, based on what has been freely given to us to date..
A bit like us placing a really big order in advance for some really detailed information (and a resources/ photos CD including PPRune links).
Hell; you're writing and we're reading now, for the good cause.
Why not some of you folks make some money from it?
Or if you're all doing okay then the resultant organisation may wish to assist (with any subsequent profits) that "helicopters sans frontiers" idea i saw recently, or some such positive cause..
Maybe an e-book?
or i could just shut up.......
What do you think?
How does this idea strike you?
We low timers glean a LOT from your posts, and the posts of several other regular (experienced) PPRuners like Dennis Kenyon, amongst others.
Hows about a "professional helicopter pilot's manual" co-authored by those professionals (from around the globe) voted "IN" by the prospective buyers of said text?
That is, PPRune Rotorheads could organise some kind of poll to vote for Author and Content, (even if conflicting in stance on certain issues; perspectives) Moderated by agreed rules?
I am perhaps naive in the practicalities of the publishing game, but it seems to me that the target audience would be an excellent judge of where to start and with whom to start, based on what has been freely given to us to date..
A bit like us placing a really big order in advance for some really detailed information (and a resources/ photos CD including PPRune links).
Hell; you're writing and we're reading now, for the good cause.
Why not some of you folks make some money from it?
Or if you're all doing okay then the resultant organisation may wish to assist (with any subsequent profits) that "helicopters sans frontiers" idea i saw recently, or some such positive cause..
Maybe an e-book?
or i could just shut up.......
What do you think?
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From: Europe
Darn
I wanted to say that.
Dear Nick
It is about time to write a book. Scott Crossfield also became a real testpilot only after writing his book.
I think we all want to hear:
Helicopter urban legends - the longs.
All those storys about those machos you trained
Gyroscopic precession, centrifugal force, LTE, RSV, HTG and all the other things we thought we knew something about.
What do you want us to do? Point a gun in your general direction? (SASless would probably say that you are difficult to miss).
Ok, get on with it. I need a present for christmas.
Cheers
I wanted to say that.
Dear Nick
It is about time to write a book. Scott Crossfield also became a real testpilot only after writing his book.
I think we all want to hear:
Helicopter urban legends - the longs.
All those storys about those machos you trained
Gyroscopic precession, centrifugal force, LTE, RSV, HTG and all the other things we thought we knew something about.
What do you want us to do? Point a gun in your general direction? (SASless would probably say that you are difficult to miss).
Ok, get on with it. I need a present for christmas.
Cheers
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Those are some fine books, Shawn was kind enough to share his manuscript with me, and I really like that one.
While they are good reference, I do think there is unplowed terrain for hopefully helpful advice and background info.
Most books survey everything, I would think there is a place for one that goes the other way - take 10 or so deeper topics, and explore them fully.
I picture the 'Myths" theme first, taken from a thread that had almost 12,000 hits here in pprune:
Vortex Ring State (VRS)
Blade stall
Downwind hovering
The Height Velocity curve
Engine failure issues
Ground Effect
Phase lag
LTE
Limits, what they mean, who sets them, what margins exist?
Any other topics out there?
While they are good reference, I do think there is unplowed terrain for hopefully helpful advice and background info.
Most books survey everything, I would think there is a place for one that goes the other way - take 10 or so deeper topics, and explore them fully.
I picture the 'Myths" theme first, taken from a thread that had almost 12,000 hits here in pprune:
Vortex Ring State (VRS)
Blade stall
Downwind hovering
The Height Velocity curve
Engine failure issues
Ground Effect
Phase lag
LTE
Limits, what they mean, who sets them, what margins exist?
Any other topics out there?
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From: Port Townsend,WA. USA
Nick,
Please include in your book your insights about design. Just use basic math and show actual math samples. The usual text leaves most everybody skipping through the unusable math. I think the authors are trying to prove how smart they are. The truly good authors can convey the ideas so that most can understand without the math. Use words instead of formulas wherever possible.
You have that ability to transfer complex concepts in a fun and understandable manner, so get busy.
Please include in your book your insights about design. Just use basic math and show actual math samples. The usual text leaves most everybody skipping through the unusable math. I think the authors are trying to prove how smart they are. The truly good authors can convey the ideas so that most can understand without the math. Use words instead of formulas wherever possible.
You have that ability to transfer complex concepts in a fun and understandable manner, so get busy.
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Slowrotor,
Prouty has a way of expressing rotorcraft activities with very little math. His book 'Military Helicopter Design Technology' should be of interest. It is 135 pages of conceptual overview.
As you mention, Nick's knowledge and his clarity in expressing it would certainly add significantly to Prouty's contribution in this area.
Edited to add picture; 'cause Stringfellow Dork will probably ask for more picturers.
Prouty has a way of expressing rotorcraft activities with very little math. His book 'Military Helicopter Design Technology' should be of interest. It is 135 pages of conceptual overview.
As you mention, Nick's knowledge and his clarity in expressing it would certainly add significantly to Prouty's contribution in this area.
Edited to add picture; 'cause Stringfellow Dork will probably ask for more picturers.
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Dave J
Whilst the design issues are very interesting, I believe they are very well covered by Ray Prouty's works. I also agree with Genghis that Shawns books are superb. What strikes me looking at the threads on this forum is a need for a Pilotage and Handling equivalent to Prouty. i.e. a tome that isn't stuffed with boggling and self indulgent math but good rational (read visual) explanations for bean usage and elephant management.
I would hazard a guess that the bulk of rotorheads if being honest would fall at the first mathematical fence and glaze over if faced with the kind of equations that are found plastered across almost every page of the heavyweight Helicopter theory of Flight textbooks
I think the bulk of young and not-so-young rotorheads are after myth dispelling aircraft handling issues and ass saving rules of thumb that will prevent lowtimers converting very expensive bits of hardware into scrap metal.
A classic example of this was the recent approach angles thread, the interesting gist of this theme for me was that although the names of the bogeymen were different or misunderstood the fundamental rules of thumb to avoid them was the same
To quote Nick
" To make an approach and at the bottom be much less than 300 fpm is good pilotage, and likely to produce a very satisfactory approach. I used to tell students that at 100 feet they better be at 300fpm or less, or I would start yelling, even in a three engined monster with 13,000 horsepower. Nothing to do with VRS, it is because it keeps the elephants away"
Bottom line: manage your ROD VERY carefully when you are near the ground and decelerating esp. on low power machines
there have been other threads which really are variations on the same theme which actually is what helicopters are all about, viz you have a heavy ship and a small LZ possibly surrounded by obstacles such as high trees. How do you get in without modifying the machine? and what cues should be in the front of your mind when evaluating the sense of attempting to carry out a manoeuvre?
To Nick
1/ The aircraft certification process
A/ Civil
B/ Military
2/ POH "Limits” what they really mean and how they are established.
3/ The basic commandments of flying a grossed out machine.
4/ Confined areas/ steep approaches
5/ Fuel and endurance management.
6/ Out of wind ops rules of thumb
7/ Smooth flying
8/ Back in the saddle training after extended layoff
Cheers
Wunper!
Whilst the design issues are very interesting, I believe they are very well covered by Ray Prouty's works. I also agree with Genghis that Shawns books are superb. What strikes me looking at the threads on this forum is a need for a Pilotage and Handling equivalent to Prouty. i.e. a tome that isn't stuffed with boggling and self indulgent math but good rational (read visual) explanations for bean usage and elephant management.
I would hazard a guess that the bulk of rotorheads if being honest would fall at the first mathematical fence and glaze over if faced with the kind of equations that are found plastered across almost every page of the heavyweight Helicopter theory of Flight textbooks
I think the bulk of young and not-so-young rotorheads are after myth dispelling aircraft handling issues and ass saving rules of thumb that will prevent lowtimers converting very expensive bits of hardware into scrap metal.
A classic example of this was the recent approach angles thread, the interesting gist of this theme for me was that although the names of the bogeymen were different or misunderstood the fundamental rules of thumb to avoid them was the same
To quote Nick
" To make an approach and at the bottom be much less than 300 fpm is good pilotage, and likely to produce a very satisfactory approach. I used to tell students that at 100 feet they better be at 300fpm or less, or I would start yelling, even in a three engined monster with 13,000 horsepower. Nothing to do with VRS, it is because it keeps the elephants away"
Bottom line: manage your ROD VERY carefully when you are near the ground and decelerating esp. on low power machines
there have been other threads which really are variations on the same theme which actually is what helicopters are all about, viz you have a heavy ship and a small LZ possibly surrounded by obstacles such as high trees. How do you get in without modifying the machine? and what cues should be in the front of your mind when evaluating the sense of attempting to carry out a manoeuvre?
To Nick
1/ The aircraft certification process
A/ Civil
B/ Military
2/ POH "Limits” what they really mean and how they are established.
3/ The basic commandments of flying a grossed out machine.
4/ Confined areas/ steep approaches
5/ Fuel and endurance management.
6/ Out of wind ops rules of thumb
7/ Smooth flying
8/ Back in the saddle training after extended layoff
Cheers
Wunper!
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Just having a little fun with you, Nick
I was going to have the author be:
NICK LAPPOS
Breeder of Trophy Colliers
But deemed it too farfetched!
Please don't make it just a technical tome: you're at your best when relaying personal observations and experiences
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HA! I've fallen and I can't get up! good job on the cover Revolutionary! Actually, I look forward to Nick's book. Maybe add a topic on elevated platform or Cat A vertical ops. Put me on the list for a copy! 
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I already have the Shawn book and I would add an extensive talk about
the CAT A operations
HUMS
HOMP
FLY BY WIRE
ELECTRIC ACTUATORS
FADECs
AUTOPILOTS
and all the latest gadgets.
And the title "Helicopters for helicopter pilots"
Without the basic control/aerodinamic stuff.
Best regards
Aser
the CAT A operations
HUMS
HOMP
FLY BY WIRE
ELECTRIC ACTUATORS
FADECs
AUTOPILOTS
and all the latest gadgets.
And the title "Helicopters for helicopter pilots"
Without the basic control/aerodinamic stuff.
Best regards
Aser
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From: Port Townsend,WA. USA
Nick,
I think it would be great if you could write a book called "How to design and build a helicopter".
All the helo aerodynamics books are nearly the same. We dont need another version of those. There is much more needed to build the future experimental helicopter than just aerodynamics.
Just my view.
I think it would be great if you could write a book called "How to design and build a helicopter".
All the helo aerodynamics books are nearly the same. We dont need another version of those. There is much more needed to build the future experimental helicopter than just aerodynamics.
Just my view.
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All the helo aerodynamics books are nearly the same.
Not too much to ask of you is it Mr Lappos?!!!
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I'd venture that the current helicopter aerodynamics books by no means contain or perpetuate "myths".
For my money (and I'd extend this to fixed wing to a fair extent as well) the problem is that there are books for engineers, books for pilots, and very little that brings them together. Without doubt Nick is the sort of chap who can plug that gap. (Shawn has to a fair extent also, but is probably just a little busy right now!)
G
For my money (and I'd extend this to fixed wing to a fair extent as well) the problem is that there are books for engineers, books for pilots, and very little that brings them together. Without doubt Nick is the sort of chap who can plug that gap. (Shawn has to a fair extent also, but is probably just a little busy right now!)
G
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One more chapter please
Can Nick also include a chapter called
"When CDF is more important than CAT A or any other letter"
In other words - times when I chuck performance considerations out the window - like a night landing on a dodgy helideck, a day landing on one of those little b***ds with a big bow deck and no references, and going into a tight HEMS site with a zillion sticky-out-up bits to spoil your day.
G
"When CDF is more important than CAT A or any other letter"
In other words - times when I chuck performance considerations out the window - like a night landing on a dodgy helideck, a day landing on one of those little b***ds with a big bow deck and no references, and going into a tight HEMS site with a zillion sticky-out-up bits to spoil your day.
G
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As SFL, I'd be more interested in a book about the history of helicopters, as seen by Nick at Sikorsky.
- A view from the inside, focusing on the design/testing issues.
- What happened with the Comanche? Why so late and over cost?
- More on S92 vs EH101 competition for the presidential flight.
- Fun and not-so-fun lessons learned while testing helicopters -- "There I was in a dark and stormy cockpit...".
- A view from the inside, focusing on the design/testing issues.
- What happened with the Comanche? Why so late and over cost?
- More on S92 vs EH101 competition for the presidential flight.
- Fun and not-so-fun lessons learned while testing helicopters -- "There I was in a dark and stormy cockpit...".