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Didn't see the thread, but for your information...if the topic starter decides to delete first entry in the thread then the whole thread will disappear. Maybe this is what happened.
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It would seem that Ned took some observations and criticism personally, and spat his dummy and removed his 12 or 13 posts.
Still no advancement regarding the location of the wreckage thou.
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Still no advancement regarding the location of the wreckage thou.
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Yeah Im wondering where it went too! -seems Nod spat the dummy tossed the toys instead of himself and bang went the thread. And I was only just warming up, Quess we wont hear from Nod again cause he said he was dealing with Ignorants (not sure if that word is in the Oxford , Nod) I looked and only could find -Ignominious, ignominy, ignoramus, ignorance, ignorant and lastly ignore, which I certainly hope Nod does not do to us as I still have a couple weeks to go until I head back to work and frankly I need a sparing partner.
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I assume Ned deleted it. As pointed out above, the whole thread is lost if the originator deletes the first post. I was off-line for most of yesterday and the thread had already gone when I logged on at 17:00Z.
I didn't see the exchanges so can't comment on the rights and wrongs of whatever occurred, but Granny's claim that he was "only just warming up", his need for a "sparing" partner, and deliberately mis-spelling someone's name suggests not all the blame was on one side.
Granny
Since you mention spelling - "Quess" isn't in the Oxford either, but "sparing" is, although it probably isn't what you meant to say. It means moderate or economical - qualities worth bearing in mind when 'sparring' with others on the forum.
Maybe we won't hear from Ned again for a while, which would be a pity. Whatever his faults - a shorter fuse, and more prone to extreme over-reaction, than anyone I've encountered in my life etc - Ned made valuable contributions to the forum. I hope you'll use some of your time before you head back to work to make some yourself.
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I didn't see the exchanges so can't comment on the rights and wrongs of whatever occurred, but Granny's claim that he was "only just warming up", his need for a "sparing" partner, and deliberately mis-spelling someone's name suggests not all the blame was on one side.
Granny
Since you mention spelling - "Quess" isn't in the Oxford either, but "sparing" is, although it probably isn't what you meant to say. It means moderate or economical - qualities worth bearing in mind when 'sparring' with others on the forum.
Maybe we won't hear from Ned again for a while, which would be a pity. Whatever his faults - a shorter fuse, and more prone to extreme over-reaction, than anyone I've encountered in my life etc - Ned made valuable contributions to the forum. I hope you'll use some of your time before you head back to work to make some yourself.
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Stuff.co.nz report
Ercegs branch off in helicopter search
10 November 2005
The family of missing liquor tycoon Michael Erceg have launched a new helicopter search for him – in a different area to the Government-funded effort.
A family spokesman said they still hoped to find Mr Erceg and his Dutch passenger, Guus Klatte, alive.
While the Rescue Coordination Centre focused its efforts on a new area near Mt Karioi, near Raglan, yesterday, a private detective hired by the family searched the southern Waikato. The family hired investigator Alan Beck at 4am on Tuesday. He wants anyone who reported sightings of the missing helicopter to police to now ring him on an 0800 number.
He believes the last sighting of Mr Erceg's helicopter was near Eltham, where two helicopters paid for by the Erceg family searched yesterday.
Family spokesman Garry Major said "despite the family branching off in their own search", searchers had done a fantastic job. "If (director Peter) Jackson decides to make his next movie a rescue, it should be this one."
Another helicopter from the Rescue Coordination Centre was out searching yesterday, but up to five will complete checking the area today.
Meanwhile, the Government-funded search had almost certainly become the most expensive of its kind, centre spokesman Steve Corbett said.
Hopes were raised yesterday when a search and rescue helicopter spotted a patch of what appeared to be broken foliage near Mt Karioi. A 12-person ground crew was sent in to dense bush to investigate, but had not reached the area by nightfall.
Workers have already spent six days searching for the pair, covering 20,000 square kilometres near Wanganui and Taranaki, with up to 20 helicopters at a time.
"It's almost certainly the biggest aviation search in New Zealand history," Mr Corbett said.
Mr Erceg is the founder of Independent Liquor and New Zealand's ninth richest man.
The family of missing liquor tycoon Michael Erceg have launched a new helicopter search for him – in a different area to the Government-funded effort.
A family spokesman said they still hoped to find Mr Erceg and his Dutch passenger, Guus Klatte, alive.
While the Rescue Coordination Centre focused its efforts on a new area near Mt Karioi, near Raglan, yesterday, a private detective hired by the family searched the southern Waikato. The family hired investigator Alan Beck at 4am on Tuesday. He wants anyone who reported sightings of the missing helicopter to police to now ring him on an 0800 number.
He believes the last sighting of Mr Erceg's helicopter was near Eltham, where two helicopters paid for by the Erceg family searched yesterday.
Family spokesman Garry Major said "despite the family branching off in their own search", searchers had done a fantastic job. "If (director Peter) Jackson decides to make his next movie a rescue, it should be this one."
Another helicopter from the Rescue Coordination Centre was out searching yesterday, but up to five will complete checking the area today.
Meanwhile, the Government-funded search had almost certainly become the most expensive of its kind, centre spokesman Steve Corbett said.
Hopes were raised yesterday when a search and rescue helicopter spotted a patch of what appeared to be broken foliage near Mt Karioi. A 12-person ground crew was sent in to dense bush to investigate, but had not reached the area by nightfall.
Workers have already spent six days searching for the pair, covering 20,000 square kilometres near Wanganui and Taranaki, with up to 20 helicopters at a time.
"It's almost certainly the biggest aviation search in New Zealand history," Mr Corbett said.
Mr Erceg is the founder of Independent Liquor and New Zealand's ninth richest man.
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New Zealand Herald report
Official search for Erceg helicopter ends
11.11.05 7.00am
The official search for multimillionaire helicopter pilot Michael Erceg and his Dutch passenger, Guus Klatte, has ended.
The Rescue Co-ordination Centre decided last night there was nothing else that could be done to find the men, who disappeared a week ago, unless new information came in.
But Mr Erceg's family will continue with a private search they started yesterday in the belief that they are closing in on the men's whereabouts, in the Taranaki area.
Mr Erceg and Mr Klatte disappeared on a flight from South Auckland to Queenstown.
The official search for multimillionaire helicopter pilot Michael Erceg and his Dutch passenger, Guus Klatte, has ended.
The Rescue Co-ordination Centre decided last night there was nothing else that could be done to find the men, who disappeared a week ago, unless new information came in.
But Mr Erceg's family will continue with a private search they started yesterday in the belief that they are closing in on the men's whereabouts, in the Taranaki area.
Mr Erceg and Mr Klatte disappeared on a flight from South Auckland to Queenstown.
I am wondering if in NZ you guys had something similar to this:
several years ago, each flight had to report it's position points along track, and adjust estimates for the next position when they varied by more than 2 minutes, much like IFR flights have to do now. Along came Dick Smith, and all this was abolished for VFR flights because it was cheaper and less work for the VFR pilot.
I am wondering if the cost of such searches, and there have been many in Oz since Uncle Dick's reforms, have been factored into the claimed cost cutting?
Another issue over here is the continued reluctance of VFR pilots to broadcast on area frequencies about positional information, again at the behest of Uncle Dick's reforms. Would these men have been found if they broadcast positions every now and then, or at least made an area frequency broadcast that they were changing their intended track so the tapes could be used to help track them? What would that have cost?
I hope they are found alive and well, and my thoughts go to their respective families.
Anyone know if they eventually found that guy (and his girlfriend)who went down afet going IMC in his helicopter last year near Milford Sound and Routeburn Track?
several years ago, each flight had to report it's position points along track, and adjust estimates for the next position when they varied by more than 2 minutes, much like IFR flights have to do now. Along came Dick Smith, and all this was abolished for VFR flights because it was cheaper and less work for the VFR pilot.
I am wondering if the cost of such searches, and there have been many in Oz since Uncle Dick's reforms, have been factored into the claimed cost cutting?
Another issue over here is the continued reluctance of VFR pilots to broadcast on area frequencies about positional information, again at the behest of Uncle Dick's reforms. Would these men have been found if they broadcast positions every now and then, or at least made an area frequency broadcast that they were changing their intended track so the tapes could be used to help track them? What would that have cost?
I hope they are found alive and well, and my thoughts go to their respective families.
Anyone know if they eventually found that guy (and his girlfriend)who went down afet going IMC in his helicopter last year near Milford Sound and Routeburn Track?
That 500 was never found helmet fire. There are a surprising number of aircraft still missing in New Zealand, some that you would think should have been found by now. A Tomahawk took off from Ardmore, just south of Auckland many years ago for a training flight in the designated training area, and never came back. Still a family missing down Milford somewhere in their Piper Cherokee 6, and that's from the 70's I think. New Zealand is not very friendly toward lost aircraft. Dense bush that closes over aircraft leaving little or no trace (remember the Heli-Sika MD500??), inaccessible mountain valleys, and glaciers all combine to hide aircraft from the searchers. Darkly coloured aircraft don't help too much either. ELT's seem to be a problem too. Anyone notice that no ELT signal was picked up?? You would think that with a helicopter this new it would have a 406Mhz ELT, that would go straight to a satellite, but it hasn't activated, or, it isn't attached to it's antenna anymore. Was talking to a kiwi accident investigator last year, and he said that of the last 7 helicopter accidents he ahd investigated, the ELT activated in only 2 of those. Food for thought.
Edit so the spelling police don't complain too much
Edit so the spelling police don't complain too much
13/11/2005NewstalkZBThe family search for millionaire Michael Erceg goes into its eighth day today.
The hunt for the liquor baron and his Dutch friend Guus Klatte was called off early yesterday in the Ohura area of the King Country because of poor visibility.
Pilot John Funnell says the search will focus on Mt Messenger, east of New Plymouth.
He says rescuers received electronic information from the area which they believe could have come from a damaged beacon.
The helicopters used yesterday will venture out today.
Mr Erceg's brother Ivan says the helicopters will be joined by 30 people on the ground today.
He says it is a faint signal at this stage, but has significantly narrowed the search area.
Ivan Erceg says fresh pilots will be brought on board to allow others to rest.
The hunt for the liquor baron and his Dutch friend Guus Klatte was called off early yesterday in the Ohura area of the King Country because of poor visibility.
Pilot John Funnell says the search will focus on Mt Messenger, east of New Plymouth.
He says rescuers received electronic information from the area which they believe could have come from a damaged beacon.
The helicopters used yesterday will venture out today.
Mr Erceg's brother Ivan says the helicopters will be joined by 30 people on the ground today.
He says it is a faint signal at this stage, but has significantly narrowed the search area.
Ivan Erceg says fresh pilots will be brought on board to allow others to rest.
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Weak signals can still be detected. Once at Sikorsky we were told we had an ELT going off, but we could not hear it. The folks from Scott AFB who monitor the signals came back the next day with a picture of the factory, and a spot indicated where the signal originated. The spot was over an equipment crib where the ELT, with its antenna disconnected, had triggered when it was dropped, in its box!
Helmet Fire,
The system that DS implemented has been working fine up here for the longest time. The key is just as you said: You have to make area position reports.
Even if you think you are the only person in the sky. It goes beyond just letting people know your intentions and into the recording equipment of the ATC types.
It appears to me that a lot of pilots choose not to do this, whether from laziness or lack of professionalism. It is not uncommon to have an aircraft appear in the same airspace without any warning even if you are transmitting. This leads to the conclusion that a lot of pilots are not monitoring the correct frequencies nor switching enroute.
What to do?
The system that DS implemented has been working fine up here for the longest time. The key is just as you said: You have to make area position reports.
Even if you think you are the only person in the sky. It goes beyond just letting people know your intentions and into the recording equipment of the ATC types.
It appears to me that a lot of pilots choose not to do this, whether from laziness or lack of professionalism. It is not uncommon to have an aircraft appear in the same airspace without any warning even if you are transmitting. This leads to the conclusion that a lot of pilots are not monitoring the correct frequencies nor switching enroute.
What to do?
Hughesy,
If I remember correctly, a Hughes 500 with pilot and female English passenger took off in marginal weather froma camping hut in the milford area of the south island (very rugged dense bush). i believe they were suposed to be returning to queenstown??? anyway, got stuck on top of solid cloud cover, no idea where they were. last radio contact was that he was running low on gas. never been found. no ELT signal picked up. where would you start looking??
If I remember correctly, a Hughes 500 with pilot and female English passenger took off in marginal weather froma camping hut in the milford area of the south island (very rugged dense bush). i believe they were suposed to be returning to queenstown??? anyway, got stuck on top of solid cloud cover, no idea where they were. last radio contact was that he was running low on gas. never been found. no ELT signal picked up. where would you start looking??
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I assume Ned deleted it. As pointed out above, the whole thread is lost if the originator deletes the first post. I was off-line for most of yesterday and the thread had already gone when I logged on at 17:00Z.
So for those who wish to do battle with him, do it in a Pub where you can enjoy a beer after all the blood gets wiped away.