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Time to Vote.
I've had enough of the FINAL ARBITRATION THREAD.
I don't understand half of what they are raving about and I cannot be bothered trying. I think this forum is for discussing pilot issues. Perhaps that subject should be transferred to another area out of ROTORHEADS. Like Out of Balance said - he has been flying for 25yrs and still is struggling with it. I have only 9yrs and I find the whole argument irrelevant.
Can we vote this off. If so does anyone second the motion....
I don't understand half of what they are raving about and I cannot be bothered trying. I think this forum is for discussing pilot issues. Perhaps that subject should be transferred to another area out of ROTORHEADS. Like Out of Balance said - he has been flying for 25yrs and still is struggling with it. I have only 9yrs and I find the whole argument irrelevant.
Can we vote this off. If so does anyone second the motion....
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You also have my vote.
I'll bet that in a few days a thread will appear making comments about the 18-degree thread and it will start all over again.
The voting is over and the thread is gone but I am not gone.
I'll bet that in a few days a thread will appear making comments about the 18-degree thread and it will start all over again.
The voting is over and the thread is gone but I am not gone.
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Bring it back. If you don't understand it, I'm sure someone will be glad to help.
If you don't want to read it, then don't.
This board is "A haven for professional helicopter pilots to discuss the things that affect them." Like it or not, this stuff affects us, whether or not you understand it. It has way more effect on the majority of us than what those few pilots flying in the North Sea get paid.
Anyone want to second my motion to keep this group uncensored?
Matthew.
If you don't want to read it, then don't.
This board is "A haven for professional helicopter pilots to discuss the things that affect them." Like it or not, this stuff affects us, whether or not you understand it. It has way more effect on the majority of us than what those few pilots flying in the North Sea get paid.
Anyone want to second my motion to keep this group uncensored?
Matthew.
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Heedm,
The only problem to your theory is:
A. Lu is not a pilot (since you want to bring the forum title into play) nor is he an engineer, or even a guru as he would like to make others believe. He is a windup, arrogant A$$ as evident by his past comment above.
And
B. Lu doesn't understand it as well. And that for over a year. As evident through out his flawed theory rantings. Well his lack of understanding DOESN'T affect us, and should not have to any longer.
The answers have not changed by his removal of the thread.
The FACTS are still in evidence, and he admits that much in saying that it would happen all over again.
That it would, he posts drivel (Nick Lappo's words, not mine), is proven wrong by the very experts HE ASKS, then fails to get that clue, and in the end the thread is either "voted" out and he removes it himself, or it is killed by the board admins.
All the above is proven factual history, and it need not be repeated. You will find yourself joined only by Lu in keeping misguided robbie rantings going.
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The only problem to your theory is:
A. Lu is not a pilot (since you want to bring the forum title into play) nor is he an engineer, or even a guru as he would like to make others believe. He is a windup, arrogant A$$ as evident by his past comment above.
And
B. Lu doesn't understand it as well. And that for over a year. As evident through out his flawed theory rantings. Well his lack of understanding DOESN'T affect us, and should not have to any longer.
The answers have not changed by his removal of the thread.
The FACTS are still in evidence, and he admits that much in saying that it would happen all over again.
That it would, he posts drivel (Nick Lappo's words, not mine), is proven wrong by the very experts HE ASKS, then fails to get that clue, and in the end the thread is either "voted" out and he removes it himself, or it is killed by the board admins.
All the above is proven factual history, and it need not be repeated. You will find yourself joined only by Lu in keeping misguided robbie rantings going.
[ 03 August 2001: Message edited by: RW-1 ]
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RW-1 also votes via email. I just received this. Lets see how he responds to my response.
You are nothing more than a windup, arrogant Ass. You are not a guru either.
If it was going to start over again, you need not remove it in the first place, for the facts at hand shall not change.
And you have not figured out why the pattern remians the same, Lu posts, Lu is wrong, Lu ends up having thread deleted or removes it himself.
I still have the Comments sent by Nick, and will append them in any other sad attempt to ressurect your flawed theory.
Keep that in mind.
As to your second comment, that can be rectified.
You are nothing more than a windup, arrogant Ass. You are not a guru either.
If it was going to start over again, you need not remove it in the first place, for the facts at hand shall not change.
And you have not figured out why the pattern remians the same, Lu posts, Lu is wrong, Lu ends up having thread deleted or removes it himself.
I still have the Comments sent by Nick, and will append them in any other sad attempt to ressurect your flawed theory.
Keep that in mind.
As to your second comment, that can be rectified.
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heedm,
Your motion is seconded.
Particularly valid is your statement " If you don't want to read it, then don't.
This forum allows a participant to read the header and then decide if the subject is of interest or not. This is far better than some forums where a person must read through a lot of personally irrelevant material to find nuggets of interest to them.
Two weeks ago, I asked whether discussions related to helicopter flying and those related to helicopter dynamics should be on separate forums. The answer was no.
Your motion is seconded.
Particularly valid is your statement " If you don't want to read it, then don't.
This forum allows a participant to read the header and then decide if the subject is of interest or not. This is far better than some forums where a person must read through a lot of personally irrelevant material to find nuggets of interest to them.
Two weeks ago, I asked whether discussions related to helicopter flying and those related to helicopter dynamics should be on separate forums. The answer was no.
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You haven't MADE a response (for once, we don't need another 10 para useless diatribe here ...) only copied my email.
Wow Lu, you can read (but still not understand concepts), did you not read the same thing in the post above?
You are an arrogant A$$
(See? Now I stated it a THIRD TIME)
[ 03 August 2001: Message edited by: RW-1 ]
Wow Lu, you can read (but still not understand concepts), did you not read the same thing in the post above?
You are an arrogant A$$
(See? Now I stated it a THIRD TIME)
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I'm with HEEDM on this (I think?).
You have the choice whether to read this or not. I personally find it very amusing. Added to that, there is some good stuff that's come out.
There is a lot of food for thought and a lot of answers to questions that we may not thought of asking ourselves.
Lu, is unbeleivable to me, he does drive us crazy but you've got to admire his tenacity and thick skin.
One day if we can convince Lu to think like 90% of the population then we have achieved something.
Otherwise, there is always a role for doubters who make us think, "are we right?"
I have seen a lot of names posting on this thread recently, who have noted posted for a long time. Therefore, Lu must have sparked a renewed interest in this forum.
You have the choice whether to read this or not. I personally find it very amusing. Added to that, there is some good stuff that's come out.
There is a lot of food for thought and a lot of answers to questions that we may not thought of asking ourselves.
Lu, is unbeleivable to me, he does drive us crazy but you've got to admire his tenacity and thick skin.
One day if we can convince Lu to think like 90% of the population then we have achieved something.
Otherwise, there is always a role for doubters who make us think, "are we right?"
I have seen a lot of names posting on this thread recently, who have noted posted for a long time. Therefore, Lu must have sparked a renewed interest in this forum.
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>>there is always a role for doubters who make us think, "are we right?"<<
That is not what is going on here.
Doubters allow for the possibility they are incorrect.
We have yet to see that in LZ, who has been proven wrong on numerous occassions by those HE ASKED. Not just by those who also contributed.
He needs to get a clue and leave.
Dave, I didn't pull it, LZ did, for in addition to nick's well done comments, you know where it leaves him.
This is the pattern he leaves as I stated above, but have most of it for when the drivel starts up, if allowed.
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That is not what is going on here.
Doubters allow for the possibility they are incorrect.
We have yet to see that in LZ, who has been proven wrong on numerous occassions by those HE ASKED. Not just by those who also contributed.
He needs to get a clue and leave.
Dave, I didn't pull it, LZ did, for in addition to nick's well done comments, you know where it leaves him.
This is the pattern he leaves as I stated above, but have most of it for when the drivel starts up, if allowed.
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I quote from my post above: "I'll bet that in a few days a thread will appear making comments about the 18-degree thread and it will start all over again".
It has already started.
I quote from my post above: "I'll bet that in a few days a thread will appear making comments about the 18-degree thread and it will start all over again".
It has already started.
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No Lu, here you are wrong again.
The 18 degree flawed theory of yours was proven wrong by those on this forum and THOSE YOU APPEALED TO.
This is a topic of whether your drivel should be allowed to continue.
You still display a lack of concept apprehension, but at least in that department you are consistant.
BTW Jiff, when the the truth an attack?
(show me a prediction he has not fufilled...)
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The 18 degree flawed theory of yours was proven wrong by those on this forum and THOSE YOU APPEALED TO.
This is a topic of whether your drivel should be allowed to continue.
You still display a lack of concept apprehension, but at least in that department you are consistant.
BTW Jiff, when the the truth an attack?
(show me a prediction he has not fufilled...)
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This is not intended as a malicious attack against the free speech for which this forum is designed. Neither is it against Lu or anyone else.
It seems to me that the further into this topic we wade the more people get disillusioned and quit. ie: Nick. People like Nick have a massive amount of knowledge that is not available readily to the average pilot like myself and others who are on this site. To see them get exasperated to the point of 'losing their cool' on the internet is ridiculous. It's an injustice to the majority if one subject can cause so much disention to the point of generating anger between readers.
Just answer a simple AYE or NAY. Quit with the ranting and we will leave it up to Heliport to decide.
My regards
It seems to me that the further into this topic we wade the more people get disillusioned and quit. ie: Nick. People like Nick have a massive amount of knowledge that is not available readily to the average pilot like myself and others who are on this site. To see them get exasperated to the point of 'losing their cool' on the internet is ridiculous. It's an injustice to the majority if one subject can cause so much disention to the point of generating anger between readers.
Just answer a simple AYE or NAY. Quit with the ranting and we will leave it up to Heliport to decide.
My regards
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The topic appeared to be deleted immediately after I posted a message asking Lu not to use all capital letters to "shout" a response to my earlier reply. This simply put forward a disagreement to one of his theories about gyroscopic precession being the method used to control a helicopter rotor disc. He seemed angry that my training and understanding was different to his.
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Gee, I finally made a mistake.
I meant concept comprehension.
So now I only have to make about 3-400 more to catch up to you on mistakes in theory and comprehension/application.
Collective Bias,
>>It seems to me that the further into this topic we wade the more people get disillusioned and quit. ie: Nick. <<
In this instance it is Nick. Prior to that the same indeterminable number of times it has been other respected contributors. Who will it be next time? That is why it needs to be stopped now, no more Robbie Rants on this forum.
We have plenty of topics in which this doesn't occur, it ALWYS happens in a LZ thread, so let's eliminate the common denominator: no more robbie rants from lz.
ShyTorque,
Yes, it is like you say. Of course your experience only serves to give reason why he is not a guru or mentor, and the reason he shouldn't be allowed to drivel and insult those in the know anymore with it.
I say that those who have been driven off rotorheads would be more likely to participate once word that LZ has been removed reaches them, for they would not have to experience what ST and many others have.
You can call it an attack if you want, but I'm not the one insulting every professional heli pilot, test pilot, or real engineer here, that seems to be LZ's only forte'.
We repeat this cycle every time, if you can't prevent the cycle, you remove the initiator.
The question to ask yourselves fellow PPRuNer's, is if you wish to allow LZ to stay, then he can stay, but there is NO reason we have to continually revisit this warped flawed theory of his again, ever:
He has not brought forth anything new to the conversation, and remains entrenched in flawed thinking when the very people he came here to ask originally have told him he is wrong.
Want to participate in other topics like he purports to want to do? Great.
Ban the robbie rantings. It's been covered. For it serves no purpose at all but to the things ST and CB brought forth.
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I meant concept comprehension.
So now I only have to make about 3-400 more to catch up to you on mistakes in theory and comprehension/application.
Collective Bias,
>>It seems to me that the further into this topic we wade the more people get disillusioned and quit. ie: Nick. <<
In this instance it is Nick. Prior to that the same indeterminable number of times it has been other respected contributors. Who will it be next time? That is why it needs to be stopped now, no more Robbie Rants on this forum.
We have plenty of topics in which this doesn't occur, it ALWYS happens in a LZ thread, so let's eliminate the common denominator: no more robbie rants from lz.
ShyTorque,
Yes, it is like you say. Of course your experience only serves to give reason why he is not a guru or mentor, and the reason he shouldn't be allowed to drivel and insult those in the know anymore with it.
I say that those who have been driven off rotorheads would be more likely to participate once word that LZ has been removed reaches them, for they would not have to experience what ST and many others have.
You can call it an attack if you want, but I'm not the one insulting every professional heli pilot, test pilot, or real engineer here, that seems to be LZ's only forte'.
We repeat this cycle every time, if you can't prevent the cycle, you remove the initiator.
The question to ask yourselves fellow PPRuNer's, is if you wish to allow LZ to stay, then he can stay, but there is NO reason we have to continually revisit this warped flawed theory of his again, ever:
He has not brought forth anything new to the conversation, and remains entrenched in flawed thinking when the very people he came here to ask originally have told him he is wrong.
Want to participate in other topics like he purports to want to do? Great.
Ban the robbie rantings. It's been covered. For it serves no purpose at all but to the things ST and CB brought forth.
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RW-1: You are right that it does not seem that Lu wants to accept popular opinion and expert testimony. That annoys me too. He does however generate discussion.
I don't like to see Nick or anyone else leave the forum due to infuriation. But I question how much the infuriation is due to not being believed or is it due to having to filter out the slanderous, childish drivel that populates the messages once old feelings are brought out.
I've made posts trying to help helicopter pilots understand the concept of gyroscopic precession in r.a.r. and have not been fully able to get my point across. My response to that is to try explain my points more clearly rather than leave in frustration. I've seen Nick do this as well. Perhaps I don't know the personalities in Pprune well enough to know what causes the infuriation, but I've seen more people leave posts that get personal rather than leave those that get politely argumentative.
Still, the point is, the removed thread was generating discussion that many of us found interesting. That is not to say we believe Lu's point. Maybe it's a challenge to some to explain it to the point that Lu agrees with us
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I ask that we either bring the thread back or we start afresh and keep the insults and old feelings out of it. If you don't want this then don't even click on the title of that thread.
Matthew.
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I don't like to see Nick or anyone else leave the forum due to infuriation. But I question how much the infuriation is due to not being believed or is it due to having to filter out the slanderous, childish drivel that populates the messages once old feelings are brought out.
I've made posts trying to help helicopter pilots understand the concept of gyroscopic precession in r.a.r. and have not been fully able to get my point across. My response to that is to try explain my points more clearly rather than leave in frustration. I've seen Nick do this as well. Perhaps I don't know the personalities in Pprune well enough to know what causes the infuriation, but I've seen more people leave posts that get personal rather than leave those that get politely argumentative.
Still, the point is, the removed thread was generating discussion that many of us found interesting. That is not to say we believe Lu's point. Maybe it's a challenge to some to explain it to the point that Lu agrees with us
.I ask that we either bring the thread back or we start afresh and keep the insults and old feelings out of it. If you don't want this then don't even click on the title of that thread.
Matthew.
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