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Ever noticed how pilots screw up when on camera?
I hope it is not standard proceedure but I have seen twice on films pilots running the stinger on the Jetranger into the ground while landing. One such film was Air America. In one of the airport scenes a pilot flares the stinger into the tarmac after a steep approach. Oops! or Normal op's?
I hope it is not standard proceedure but I have seen twice on films pilots running the stinger on the Jetranger into the ground while landing. One such film was Air America. In one of the airport scenes a pilot flares the stinger into the tarmac after a steep approach. Oops! or Normal op's?
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Hi Capn,
Its the long pointy thing at the end of the long bit with the little propellor on it at the back, put there to let pilots know the angle of landing is slightly wrong!
Its the long pointy thing at the end of the long bit with the little propellor on it at the back, put there to let pilots know the angle of landing is slightly wrong!
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By the lord, I just saw the movie last night, and he's right! 
I wonder what the owner of the heli thought if he/she noticed ....
Hi B, has the Vegas spot been filled yet? (curious guy that I am, I want to know who got the spot I'd so for if i had the quals )
I wonder what the owner of the heli thought if he/she noticed ....
Hi B, has the Vegas spot been filled yet? (curious guy that I am, I want to know who got the spot I'd so for if i had the quals
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If you want to see a near disaster, watch the opening credits on Magnum PI. The pilot almost digs a skid at fifty to sixty miles per hour.
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Hey RW yes, We got a guy from a local tour company. Seems as he will work out good...........Im gone now.. Back to the Caribbean this winter.....(After Africa for a month)
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As to Tail Stingers, they were invented hundreds of years ago and used by developing nations for planting seeds. Helicopter Engineers in their wisdom found these ancient items and decided to place them on Helicopters as it was forseen to be what helicopter pilots would do with them anyway. Its a proven fact that Helicopter Pilots still use them for digging in fields albeit only to plant helicopters.
Maybe even Lu would agree on that..
Maybe even Lu would agree on that..
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So now that I know what a stinger is.
Will some one explain why a teeter rotor ___206/22/44 helicopter
Is less responsive to cyclic and collective commands than a four blade elastomeric o/r titanium; the latter of which is the most rigid.
You folks make interesting reading
Will some one explain why a teeter rotor ___206/22/44 helicopter
Is less responsive to cyclic and collective commands than a four blade elastomeric o/r titanium; the latter of which is the most rigid.
You folks make interesting reading
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PUHLEEEZZE dont put a 206 in the same sentence with the numbers 22 or 44. Its very embarrassing......
Teeter Rotors are just that they sit teetering until someone turns on the engine. Then they go round and round....In a high wind condition and when the rotors are getting up to speed or slowing down they also have a tendancy to teeter into the tail boom in the rear or the dummy standing in the rotor arc in front.
Teeter Rotors are just that they sit teetering until someone turns on the engine. Then they go round and round....In a high wind condition and when the rotors are getting up to speed or slowing down they also have a tendancy to teeter into the tail boom in the rear or the dummy standing in the rotor arc in front.
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Was working ground crew for Silverstone saw a very reputable operator with a Augusta 109d strike the stinger twice in one day…doh! Must be the public waiting.
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A-109's when loaded with happy pax for a day out, lots of fuel and only one pilot will sit nose high in a hover. Cant always do a level running landing to most event pads.
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An instructor I know used to show how quickly an R22 could be levelled out on a fast approach (wth flare) using the subterranean stinger method. Very interesting to watch and never damaged a blade!!!
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Sort of makes you wonder why the S76, with its very nose high hover attitude doesn't have a stinger. Could it be so as not to spoil the looks? The tail rotor is mounted well up on the fin though so I guess any tail-first arrivals are unlikely to wipe it out.
In North Sea fit, some design guru decided the best place for the ADELT beacon was under the tail boom. Definitely not good for aft CG problems, nor ground clearance, and so it used to be standard practice with at least one operator to remove the beacon when carrying out any single engine training. This lesson was naturally learned the hard way after a few ADELT housings had become the first point of touchdown during running landings...!!
In North Sea fit, some design guru decided the best place for the ADELT beacon was under the tail boom. Definitely not good for aft CG problems, nor ground clearance, and so it used to be standard practice with at least one operator to remove the beacon when carrying out any single engine training. This lesson was naturally learned the hard way after a few ADELT housings had become the first point of touchdown during running landings...!!
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I do wonder after reading the reason for stingers. unfortunately someone went wrong with mine i do have a stinger but i have no tail rotor maybe someone got it wrong
i think the stinger was designed by chopper spotter so that there was something to hold onto when moving the heli around steve
i think the stinger was designed by chopper spotter so that there was something to hold onto when moving the heli around steve
Two other uses for the stinger I have seen (in the UH-1):
1. For climbing up on and standing on when you want to check if the 90 degree gearbox cap is on properly (probably not very good for it)
2. As part of the question sometimes asked by anally retentive check captains about how many pieces of wood there are in the helicopter (eg cork throttles, plywood false floor) - it's got a wooden plug in the end of it!
1. For climbing up on and standing on when you want to check if the 90 degree gearbox cap is on properly (probably not very good for it)
2. As part of the question sometimes asked by anally retentive check captains about how many pieces of wood there are in the helicopter (eg cork throttles, plywood false floor) - it's got a wooden plug in the end of it!
Collective Bias, you mentioned you had seen stinger strikes twice...apart from Air America, when was the other?
I believe the Air America movie also bent a Porter during that incredible landing on the one-way very steep strip, mid way through the movie. I had heard they had to sling it out after the landing. Can anyone substantiate this (or shoot it down)?
Pilots have been doing strange things under the pressure of a camera for ages, same as airshows. In "Outbreak" look for the single engine, restricted category UH-1 flying low over the crowds! You gotta love it. Those extras earnt their $1.50 that day.
People occaisionally lose their heads when a camera is pointed at them - ask Vic Morrow - and there are probably many examples, but maybe the pressure is not restricted to cameras: there are some good examples of airshow accidents too.
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I believe the Air America movie also bent a Porter during that incredible landing on the one-way very steep strip, mid way through the movie. I had heard they had to sling it out after the landing. Can anyone substantiate this (or shoot it down)?
Pilots have been doing strange things under the pressure of a camera for ages, same as airshows. In "Outbreak" look for the single engine, restricted category UH-1 flying low over the crowds! You gotta love it. Those extras earnt their $1.50 that day.
People occaisionally lose their heads when a camera is pointed at them - ask Vic Morrow - and there are probably many examples, but maybe the pressure is not restricted to cameras: there are some good examples of airshow accidents too.
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Helmetfire,
The other film was a real old 70's flick. I think it was a B grade. The name escapes me but the guy came directly down into the camera so that you were looking thru the chin bubble into the machine. I guess he really had to stop or he would've squashed the camera. It was a 206 and the stinger was most helpful in assisted the levelling of the ship.
Other noteworthy moments in hollywood is the two handed cyclic control by the lead chick in the movie 'Matrix'. A mate of mine was the crewie in that one....thought he was a legend until they missed his name in the credits but he does have a photo of himself with her...
Lately I saw a really pathetic movie called .......(arghhh! help me out here..:confused where Temuera Morrison (a NZ actor) is playing the part of a Pakistani Pilot who is dropping a team of rescuers on K2. Its an incredible feat of aviation as he hovers in the blizzard at 20000 odd feet! haha. As usual the blades are inches from granite and people and he lives to tell the story. I hear that the 'Perfect Storm' also has a good helo scene in it?
regards
The other film was a real old 70's flick. I think it was a B grade. The name escapes me but the guy came directly down into the camera so that you were looking thru the chin bubble into the machine. I guess he really had to stop or he would've squashed the camera. It was a 206 and the stinger was most helpful in assisted the levelling of the ship.
Other noteworthy moments in hollywood is the two handed cyclic control by the lead chick in the movie 'Matrix'. A mate of mine was the crewie in that one....thought he was a legend until they missed his name in the credits but he does have a photo of himself with her...
Lately I saw a really pathetic movie called .......(arghhh! help me out here..:confused where Temuera Morrison (a NZ actor) is playing the part of a Pakistani Pilot who is dropping a team of rescuers on K2. Its an incredible feat of aviation as he hovers in the blizzard at 20000 odd feet! haha. As usual the blades are inches from granite and people and he lives to tell the story. I hear that the 'Perfect Storm' also has a good helo scene in it?regards