Landing in a field
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Landing in a field
Just curious. A helicopter landed in the field next to our house near Winchester last Sunday. What the ANO requirements are in terms of landing near fields with livestock or horses or near houses? I looked up the CAA website to look at the regs but couldn't find anything relevant.
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Private work - land owners permission plus suitable for landing (size, slope etc.) or various other regs for other operators (police, HEMS etc) which vary for day/night/uncongested area/non-congested etc.
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Thanks, NA, blade.
it was a multiple- landed, picked up a passenger, took off, returned after about an hour, dropped pax, and took off again . Mrs c was told yesterday that the pax had won the flight in a lottery.
it was a multiple- landed, picked up a passenger, took off, returned after about an hour, dropped pax, and took off again . Mrs c was told yesterday that the pax had won the flight in a lottery.
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Not another case of NIMBY or the little green man on the shoulder eh chippy!
Should read, had a quick gander and couldn't find anything immediately with which to report him for.
2 minutes found;
LASORS 2005 Safety Sense Leaflet 17B General Aviation Helicopter Airmanship.
3.10 Destination
a. Check for any special procedures due to activities at your destination, such as parachuting, gliding, microlighting etc. Use the UK Aeronautical Information Publication (UK AIP) or other Flight Guides including NOTAMs and Temporary Navigation Warnings, etc. to find out where the helicopter operating area is located.
b. If your destination is a private landing site, the surroundings may be very different from the licensed aerodrome at which you learnt to fly, or from which you normally operate. The final approach and take-off area should be at least twice the length of the helicopter including rotor blades. There may be hard-to-see cables or other obstructions in the approach path, or hills, trees and buildings close to the site giving wind shear and/or unusual wind patterns.
c. Try to chose a landing site where you can use the recommended profiles, but if that is impossible consider:
• a check out with an instructor or someone who knows the site well, or
• a check from the ground of the potential problems associated with different wind directions, or the reduced climb on a hot day.
Always minimise the time that the helicopter is at greatest risk from engine failure.
d. In a helicopter, you cannot just land anywhere – you need the landowner’s (or his Agent’s) permission. This also applies at strips and most aerodromes, where Prior Permission is Required (PPR).
SS
edited to remove the bit that said, look in the ANO yourself!
looked up the CAA website to look at the regs but couldn't find anything relevant.
2 minutes found;
LASORS 2005 Safety Sense Leaflet 17B General Aviation Helicopter Airmanship.
3.10 Destination
a. Check for any special procedures due to activities at your destination, such as parachuting, gliding, microlighting etc. Use the UK Aeronautical Information Publication (UK AIP) or other Flight Guides including NOTAMs and Temporary Navigation Warnings, etc. to find out where the helicopter operating area is located.
b. If your destination is a private landing site, the surroundings may be very different from the licensed aerodrome at which you learnt to fly, or from which you normally operate. The final approach and take-off area should be at least twice the length of the helicopter including rotor blades. There may be hard-to-see cables or other obstructions in the approach path, or hills, trees and buildings close to the site giving wind shear and/or unusual wind patterns.
c. Try to chose a landing site where you can use the recommended profiles, but if that is impossible consider:
• a check out with an instructor or someone who knows the site well, or
• a check from the ground of the potential problems associated with different wind directions, or the reduced climb on a hot day.
Always minimise the time that the helicopter is at greatest risk from engine failure.
d. In a helicopter, you cannot just land anywhere – you need the landowner’s (or his Agent’s) permission. This also applies at strips and most aerodromes, where Prior Permission is Required (PPR).
SS
edited to remove the bit that said, look in the ANO yourself!
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What the hell is this place ? Are we here to assist idiots who can't download a copy of the ANO in order to research a possible offence ?
Chippy - go do your own dirty work. For lawd's sake - are you one of those who goes round making sure the speed cameras are working ?
Most animals don't give a hoot about helicopters.
Why don't you head out to Asia and do something useful with your life ?
Chippy - go do your own dirty work. For lawd's sake - are you one of those who goes round making sure the speed cameras are working ?
Most animals don't give a hoot about helicopters.
Why don't you head out to Asia and do something useful with your life ?
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Hedsethair,
Give the bloke a chance, for goodness' sake. He's "just curious", has a look at the regs, can't find the answer, so he thinks he'll ask them as might know. If you don't feel like answering, go on to the next post, no need to lose your hedsethair.
As to
Is that a light blue touchpaper job?
Be positive. Think CRM.
Give the bloke a chance, for goodness' sake. He's "just curious", has a look at the regs, can't find the answer, so he thinks he'll ask them as might know. If you don't feel like answering, go on to the next post, no need to lose your hedsethair.
As to
Most animals don't give a hoot about helicopters.
Be positive. Think CRM.
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But, DB, it wasn't a simple question. The detail was lacking and unless he/she has a picture of the incident how can anyone make a judgement ?
Presumably if you were the pilot of the "multiple landing" (er - that appears to be twice in a short space of time) helicopter you'd want an accurate report and analysis ?
I just don't think a public forum is the place to collect evidence against a fellow pilot.
The complainer, according to profile, is a chairman banker. He claims to be a wine enthusiast - but both descriptions might contain typos.
Presumably if you were the pilot of the "multiple landing" (er - that appears to be twice in a short space of time) helicopter you'd want an accurate report and analysis ?
I just don't think a public forum is the place to collect evidence against a fellow pilot.
The complainer, according to profile, is a chairman banker. He claims to be a wine enthusiast - but both descriptions might contain typos.
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Headsethair:
I think the Northants air ambulance might dispute that - I hear one keeled over and died on them recently when they landed nearby, and another owner threatened to sue because of an injury to another! 
Threatening to sue an air ambulance could backfire if you ever needed them at the same location..... it's reasonable to assume that the location would not blacklisted by their insurers
BW
Most animals don't give a hoot about helicopters.
Threatening to sue an air ambulance could backfire if you ever needed them at the same location..... it's reasonable to assume that the location would not blacklisted by their insurers
BW
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headsethair
Now that's more like it - I always prefer the humorous PPRuNe approach.
But your first comment raises a fair point so, Chippy63, be straight with us then. What was your motivation for asking the question. Are you a pilot, fixed wing or helicopter (your profile doesn't mention it)? Do you have an interest in aviation? Was your post purely to look for ammunition as a result of this helicopter disturbing your peace?
The complainer, according to profile, is a chairman banker. He claims to be a wine enthusiast - but both descriptions might contain typos.
Now that's more like it - I always prefer the humorous PPRuNe approach.
But, DB, it wasn't a simple question. The detail was lacking and unless he/she has a picture of the incident how can anyone make a judgement ?
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Most Bank Chairmen I know are quite rich. Perhaps he wants to buy a helicopter (so there could be some work in it for somebody ....)
h-r
h-r
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Some of you kind folks might take remedial reading and anger management lessons- headset in particular. Such venom, such spleen! You should go and sit in a dark room until you feel better able to face the world. Some questions as to your ability to function under stress as PPL(H), perhaps.
The initial phrase, " just curious" means precisely that. I had no intention of reporting anybody, and, no, I don't go round checking on speed cameras, quaint idea as it may be. As to going to Asia, been out there for 10 years, Middle East for 4, great suggestion, but already done it. Had a ball, maybe you should try it, headset?
What a number of the replies do bring out is, what a touchy bunch rotorheads are; is it an inferiority complex, I wonder? Or is it because some of you do perhaps occasionally flout the ANO? Just kidding.
To answer DB's question- flying scholarship at school, UAS, some single and twin flying in Canada when I worked there, about 550 hours in total. Close interest in all aspects of aviation. If I wanted "ammunition" for a complaint, I wouldn't expect to get it from a rotorheads forum. And thank you for your moderating comments.
Bull!!!!proof (h'm, I wonder)- chippy63 comes from learning to fly on the Chipmunk in 1963. In life, I am truly serene.
Redeye- some bank chairman are well-paid, some are rich, and some are both. I would say that I'm in the first category; I suspect you need to be in one of the other two to have a helicopter.
Well, that's quite enough fun and excitement for one day- I'll check back in a couple of days.
Rotor- ever considered the possibility of working in one place and living in another?
The initial phrase, " just curious" means precisely that. I had no intention of reporting anybody, and, no, I don't go round checking on speed cameras, quaint idea as it may be. As to going to Asia, been out there for 10 years, Middle East for 4, great suggestion, but already done it. Had a ball, maybe you should try it, headset?
What a number of the replies do bring out is, what a touchy bunch rotorheads are; is it an inferiority complex, I wonder? Or is it because some of you do perhaps occasionally flout the ANO? Just kidding.
To answer DB's question- flying scholarship at school, UAS, some single and twin flying in Canada when I worked there, about 550 hours in total. Close interest in all aspects of aviation. If I wanted "ammunition" for a complaint, I wouldn't expect to get it from a rotorheads forum. And thank you for your moderating comments.
Bull!!!!proof (h'm, I wonder)- chippy63 comes from learning to fly on the Chipmunk in 1963. In life, I am truly serene.
Redeye- some bank chairman are well-paid, some are rich, and some are both. I would say that I'm in the first category; I suspect you need to be in one of the other two to have a helicopter.
Well, that's quite enough fun and excitement for one day- I'll check back in a couple of days.
Rotor- ever considered the possibility of working in one place and living in another?
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I suspect you need to be in one of the other two to have a helicopter.
h-r
